First Keris acquired

scratch · 1st August 2008, 01:48 AM

I understand what you say about photos Marcokeris. I lack the experience to tell handles/ukirans age, It shows smoothness in areas of possible hand contact, whether this is thru handling or artificial, I can't say. Who does the figure represent? I had thoughts of a Balinese dancer or hindu deity?
Hello Henk! Your thoughts and comments are always very appreciated

I have used 0000 steel wool and mineral oil in preparation for a traditional style etch that the previous owner is providing ingredients and instructions for. I am interested in seeing the results, if all goes well.
Thanks for your interest and suggestions Ganjawulung

I'm glad that you mentioned the blade was of good workmanship, I had thought it wellmade but lack any comparisons. Where older keris all crafted by Empu or did a graded system of keris bladesmiths exist? There is a box of keris bits and pieces that includes a few metal lower scabbard/gandars that I may acquire, as well two books "The Kris mystic weapon of the Malay world" and "Kris Gli Invicibili"
The keris seems to be a subject of much depth.

Cheers!

scratch · 18th August 2008, 07:53 AM

G'day
I was hoping for a darker stain, perhaps I should readminister process?
Any thoughts on pamor please? Random or planned, neither?
I am liking keris very much

Thank you in advance for your time.

Kind regards,

Dan

Rick · 18th August 2008, 03:07 PM

The handle is quite nice; I think I see the remains of a finish; is it painted or gilded Scratch ?

I can see pamor but it looks very minimal and scattered; or maybe it's just the picture ?
What staining solution was used ?
Warangan ?

Rick

scratch · 18th August 2008, 11:55 PM

Rick,
The mix I used for staining was white arsenic and lime juice/warangan. I may have made the paste to runny. I sat mix for 15 mins. Left mix on blade for 15 mins, rinsed, then reapplied mix. Left for 15 mins rinsed, dried. This was my first attempt and any advice will be gratefully received. I had thought pamor came in both minimal and intricate forms?
Indeed, My camera skills/tools are not the best, I do try.
The handle may have had some black substance on it that has been removed

I cant be sure.
I have a Bali/Lombok piece that also needs staining.
Thanks for your interest Rick

Cheers,

Dan

A. G. Maisey · 19th August 2008, 12:57 AM

Scratch, somewhere in the Forum posts are instructions for staining that I wrote. I don't know where they are, but maybe somebody can help.

Staining takes time. 15 minutes + 15 minutes is not even a beginning.

The last stain job I did took over a week in pineapple juice to clean, a few hours on detailing, and then two days of staining before I was happy with the result.

The image is of a blade I made some years ago.This was a swine of thing to stain. I worked on it on and off for the best part of a week. I cleaned it off and started again more times than I can remember.

I hope you are using laboratory quality white arsenic. Industrial quality can create some pretty interesting effects, like reds and greens and yellows and blues.

Rick · 19th August 2008, 03:57 AM

I think this may be the blade Alan is referring to .

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=ligan

Battara · 19th August 2008, 04:09 AM

Didn't know there was such a huge difference in arsenics!

18th August 2008, 07:53 AM	#2
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	First warangan attempt G'day I was hoping for a darker stain, perhaps I should readminister process? Any thoughts on pamor please? Random or planned, neither? I am liking keris very much Thank you in advance for your time. Kind regards, Dan Attached Images

18th August 2008, 03:07 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	The handle is quite nice; I think I see the remains of a finish; is it painted or gilded Scratch ? I can see pamor but it looks very minimal and scattered; or maybe it's just the picture ? What staining solution was used ? Warangan ? Rick Last edited by Rick; 18th August 2008 at 07:08 PM.

19th August 2008, 12:57 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Scratch, somewhere in the Forum posts are instructions for staining that I wrote. I don't know where they are, but maybe somebody can help. Staining takes time. 15 minutes + 15 minutes is not even a beginning. The last stain job I did took over a week in pineapple juice to clean, a few hours on detailing, and then two days of staining before I was happy with the result. The image is of a blade I made some years ago.This was a swine of thing to stain. I worked on it on and off for the best part of a week. I cleaned it off and started again more times than I can remember. I hope you are using laboratory quality white arsenic. Industrial quality can create some pretty interesting effects, like reds and greens and yellows and blues. Attached Images

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1st August 2008, 01:48 AM	#1
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	I understand what you say about photos Marcokeris. I lack the experience to tell handles/ukirans age, It shows smoothness in areas of possible hand contact, whether this is thru handling or artificial, I can't say. Who does the figure represent? I had thoughts of a Balinese dancer or hindu deity? Hello Henk! Your thoughts and comments are always very appreciated I have used 0000 steel wool and mineral oil in preparation for a traditional style etch that the previous owner is providing ingredients and instructions for. I am interested in seeing the results, if all goes well. Thanks for your interest and suggestions Ganjawulung I'm glad that you mentioned the blade was of good workmanship, I had thought it wellmade but lack any comparisons. Where older keris all crafted by Empu or did a graded system of keris bladesmiths exist? There is a box of keris bits and pieces that includes a few metal lower scabbard/gandars that I may acquire, as well two books "The Kris mystic weapon of the Malay world" and "Kris Gli Invicibili" The keris seems to be a subject of much depth. Cheers!

18th August 2008, 11:55 PM	#4
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	Rick, The mix I used for staining was white arsenic and lime juice/warangan. I may have made the paste to runny. I sat mix for 15 mins. Left mix on blade for 15 mins, rinsed, then reapplied mix. Left for 15 mins rinsed, dried. This was my first attempt and any advice will be gratefully received. I had thought pamor came in both minimal and intricate forms? Indeed, My camera skills/tools are not the best, I do try. The handle may have had some black substance on it that has been removed I cant be sure. I have a Bali/Lombok piece that also needs staining. Thanks for your interest Rick Cheers, Dan

19th August 2008, 03:57 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I think this may be the blade Alan is referring to . http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=ligan

19th August 2008, 04:09 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Didn't know there was such a huge difference in arsenics!