Kard for comment

Gavin Nugent · 16th May 2008, 06:48 AM

Local find, ex Wallis & Wallis UK, Persian Kard circa 17th Century. I thought it unusual and decided to bring it home.
I would love to know more about it from those more learned on the subject.

regards

Gav

ALEX · 16th May 2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by freebooter

Local find, ex Wallis & Wallis UK, Persian Kard circa 17th Century. ...
Gav

Gav, did they, Wallis people, claimed it is 17th Century? Just curions... I do not see this Kard as being 400 y.o.

in addition to Persian

Similar silver coftgari decor could have been done in India, Syria, Turkey, Cent.Asia + 12 other countries:-) The scabbard tip in particular makes me think it is Syrian - I've seen similar tips on not so old Syrian daggers. Are there any marks or stamps, and also - have you test-etched the blade for wootz?

Gavin Nugent · 16th May 2008, 09:21 AM

Hi Alex,

No Wootz that I can speak of, a little bit of lamination though.
I too could not see it being that old either, my thoughts were late 1800's early 1900's but alas I beleive it was described as such back in 1996.
The Koftgari patterns, can they reveal anything further about the origins of this piece?

regards

Gav

ALEX · 16th May 2008, 10:58 AM

Gav, I believe the koftgari pattern, and especially koftgari workmanship, application style and quality can tell a lot. Based on it, I believe it is Syrian work, but similar designs can be seen on Turkish and Kaucasian items. Persian and Indian style is usually more elaborate. I also agree with your age estimate.
Let's see what others say.

Gavin Nugent · 16th May 2008, 11:06 AM

I just now thought to mention the miniture dimensions too, maybe they also may help further confirn Syria as the region. Over all in the scabbard it is 8&3/4inches long. Out of the scabbard it is about 8&1/4 inches and has a razor sharp 4&1/2 inch blade. Thanks for your help and interest Alex.

regards

Gavin

16th May 2008, 06:48 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Kard for comment Local find, ex Wallis & Wallis UK, Persian Kard circa 17th Century. I thought it unusual and decided to bring it home. I would love to know more about it from those more learned on the subject. regards Gav Attached Images

16th May 2008, 09:21 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Hi Alex. Hi Alex, No Wootz that I can speak of, a little bit of lamination though. I too could not see it being that old either, my thoughts were late 1800's early 1900's but alas I beleive it was described as such back in 1996. The Koftgari patterns, can they reveal anything further about the origins of this piece? regards Gav

16th May 2008, 11:06 AM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thanks Alex I just now thought to mention the miniture dimensions too, maybe they also may help further confirn Syria as the region. Over all in the scabbard it is 8&3/4inches long. Out of the scabbard it is about 8&1/4 inches and has a razor sharp 4&1/2 inch blade. Thanks for your help and interest Alex. regards Gavin

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16th May 2008, 10:58 AM	#4
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Gav, I believe the koftgari pattern, and especially koftgari workmanship, application style and quality can tell a lot. Based on it, I believe it is Syrian work, but similar designs can be seen on Turkish and Kaucasian items. Persian and Indian style is usually more elaborate. I also agree with your age estimate. Let's see what others say.