keris and spirit

[HanaChu69]

Hi David & Usman

Please enlighten me with your comments on “unfinished business”…If you asked me I will say it will be my contingency plans. What shall be my next step? I guess it will be a long and tedious process.

Actually, I have consulted two pioneer keris experts. One wouldn’t want to give me any comments. The other gave me the same comment like Newsteel and that it is “my rezeki” (good luck). Well…I sure hope so…

While waiting for more eagerly waited stories, can we proceed and continue with the “tayuh” and “nayuh”. I’m sure it will be very interesting discussion if there’s more participation from the other members as well.

Truly,
Hana

P.S – I hold great respect for our fellow members who are not well-versed in the English language but they make an effort to participate in our “warung kopi”. No worries, I’m fine as long as I can grasp the concept and the correct understanding. Keep up the good work!!

[David]

Originally Posted by HanaChu69

Please enlighten me with your comments on “unfinished business”…

I say this because just his mere appearance is meaningless. It seems to me that more communication is necessary to find out why he is appearing to you and your mother. You said it yourself, you should have talked to him. If the message he is trying to communicate isn't clear then the business is obvoiusly "unfinished". Hopefully you will get another chance to find out what this is all about.

[PenangsangII]

Hana,

Pls be careful when dealing the genie khadam. If the keris is your rightful pusaka, then I believe "he" was trying to communicate with you, then you'll have to undergo certain ritual to communicate with him.

OTOH, if the keris was acquired thru purchase, pls check with the seller (whom I believe is very knowledgable in the physical & spiritual aspects of the keris) before initiating any communication with the khadam.

Remember, the more lives the keris had taken previously, the stronger khadam would be, and there's possibility that "he" is evil. So, again, please be careful!!

[HanaChu69]

Greetings everyone

David - I have to disagree that “his mere appearance is meaningless”. Some of them would want acknowledgement that they do exist and living around you. As usual these “khadam” will not speak to us and communication with them comes in form of dreams or through a medium.

PenangsangII – Appreciate your concern and thank you. I have no special ritual as my method to scan my kerises individually by means of prayers (hajat & istiharah). I do not seek help from a medium which I find against my principle. That’s why I say it will be tedious process. The answer will not be immediate and will take some time. At least there’s some guidance for further actions.

Regards,
HanaChu69

P.S - Your name sound familiar and are you Penangsang from Kgnt?

[Raden Usman Djogja]

Originally Posted by HanaChu69

Hi David & Usman

.... please enlighten me with your comments on “unfinished business”…
While waiting for more eagerly waited stories, can we proceed and continue with the “tayuh” and “nayuh”. I’m sure it will be very interesting discussion if there’s more participation from the other members as well.

Truly,
Hana

P.S – ... fellow members who are not well-versed in the English language ....

dear Hana,

emm... my english is not well-versed. but, hopefully, you can grasp the idea and, please, correct and revise my written statement then send through individual message. At the end of the day, I do want to master in English.

about "unfinished business", instead of enlightening you, I want to discuss with you since I dont have any means to enlight other.

Keris has always odd curves. Theoritically or "pakem"ly or normally, there is no keris with even curves. According to my sources, the reason why a keris must have odd curves is because the empu make a keris for a special purpose (there is no keris for general purpose to solve all kind of problem). It means whenever there is a keris, there should be an unfinished business. Whenever the problem has been fixed, It is even then a keris will go somewhere else by thousand causes. There is a keris, there is a mission. The mission must be good both in process and result.

Now, you have patrems (small kerises). You and your mother faced unique appearances. I dont know about "khadam"... then I will not use term of "khadam" in my elaboration. Whenever you fill in a dvd in its player and switch on the television then you watch so many appearance on TV, nothing wonder you. It should be normal too, if you watch, feel or hear "a thing" whenever you occupy a "real" keris. Perhaps, the appearance from keris makes wonder because there in no standard process or scientific explanation yet on how it works.

By facing appearence, there will be 2 possibilities. Fisrt, there is a problem before and the appearance is just like a reminder. Second, there is no problem before and the appearance creates new motivation. Both situation will be end on "unfinished business".

Now, instead of to communicate with your keris, it is more important to communicate with yourself first. In which part of yourlife that you feel "unfinished" or in which part of your live you will create a new mission.... after you have a vision. Only after you finish to communicate to yourself, up to you if you want to continue to communicate with your keris in a way you have already believed. One by one and step by step in doing with a keris.

Usman

[Raden Usman Djogja]

Hana,

I spent 4 months in S'pore in 1996. At that time, I lived in Kent Ridge Hall, Lower Kent Ridge Road (near Clementi) and studied at 4th semester (a semester) in NUS. Lovely S'pore.

Usman

[David]

Yes Hana, perhaps "meaningless" was too strong a word, but as Usman suggests, the appearance is not an end or a solution and perhaps signifies further action to be taken on your part.

[A. G. Maisey]

Pak Usman, you have told us several times that your understanding of keris is minimal. Perhaps it is, perhaps it is not. I don't know. But your understanding of the way in which communication with the unseen world functions is clear.The answer to hanachu's questions are within himself:- he must first understand himself and then his answer will present itself.How to go into our own soul? Different things work for different people. Possibly the right teacher or guide might help.

[PenangsangII]

Hanachu, yes, I'm the same penangsang .

I have to agree with Alan, a teacher's guidance is very necessary.

According to traditional belief, a mere appearance is a sign that "he" needs feeding.....

[David]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

According to traditional belief, a mere appearance is a sign that "he" needs feeding.....

This is an interesting observation, but Hana made the connection to the old man with his keris because with his appearance came the strong scent of keris oil so it would seem that Hana is probably dilligent in the feeding of his keris.

[PenangsangII]

From what I was told, that keris was bought from Adni of MAG. I happen to own 2 kerises bought from Adni and I can tell for certain that the kerises still smell with "one kind of smell" i.e. keris oil eventhough after I cleaned them up using lime and sometimes wd40. Thru discussion in another forum, I was told that some oil residue is actually sticking on the inner part of the sarungs. I dont have to scent my keris with the special oil, and still my kerises have the scent.

Another thing to consider is that from my limited knowkedge in keris caretaking according to the traditional method, the khadam feed on incense / benzoine smoke, which I believe Hana would not use (due to her belief) thus the appearance on 2 separate occassions. Maybe there's another way of feeding that is not against her belief that other forumites can suggest?