K e r i s w i t h R e l i e f (?)

ganjawulung · 30th May 2007, 04:10 PM

I don't know, whether you are interesting in such keris or not. I don't even know the name of the dhapur, either...

VVV · 30th May 2007, 04:15 PM

Ganja,

Thanks for sharing all your interesting blades.
Please add a picture with the motif shot straight forward.
Is it Garuda???

Michael

ganjawulung · 30th May 2007, 04:23 PM

Dear Michael,

Not so clear, what figure it is. Maybe Garuda-headed naga. The pamor in the naga's body, is "pamor tambal" (I don't know the right English word for it). There are no more traces of gold kinatah or tinatah left... Is there any info on this motive? (I will make it clearer, soon)

Ganjawulung

Raden Usman Djogja · 31st May 2007, 01:59 AM

Gonjo,

if it is old keris, it looks alike either kanoman or kasepuhan cirebon sultanate. you are a cirebonese, arent you?

Usman

cahaya · 31st May 2007, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

Gonjo,

if it is old keris, it looks alike either kanoman or kasepuhan cirebon sultanate. you are a cirebonese, arent you?

Usman

hi../hallo Mas R.Usman

Gonjo not cirebonese........
Gonjo is soloensis "tulen" (tulen in English?)

hallo Mas gonjo when i'm ready i will contact you

Cahaya

ganjawulung · 31st May 2007, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cahaya

hi../hallo Mas R.Usman

Gonjo not cirebonese........
Gonjo is soloensis "tulen" (tulen in English?)

hallo Mas gonjo when i'm ready i will contact you

Cahaya

No, I am not Cirebonese. I don't even know who I am (?). I was born in Solo or Surakarta Hadiningrat, but my favorite style is Yogyakarta's keris. I love Cirebonese style, and other style too. I am very very interested of Pattani style for the last two weeks...

Yeah, that is an old keris. Supposed to be tangguh Mataram in Amangkurat era (?). Or if I'am fortunate: Sultan Agungan... This picture below, is real Cirebonese keris with luk 9 (Wali Songo?), and with fantastic relief of Paksi Naga Liman (Elephant-Naga-Garuda headed figure). Like the Royal Chariot (?) of Cirebon, which bears name Paksi Naga Liman. The form of the chariot (you may see in the Cirebon palace, or in its museum), is just like this relief.

Thanks alot, my keris friend Mr Cahaya and Mr Raden Usman....

Ganjawulung

ganjawulung · 31st May 2007, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Ganja,

Thanks for sharing all your interesting blades.
Please add a picture with the motif shot straight forward.
Is it Garuda???

Michael

Dear Michael,

This picture is what you requested. I think it is a figure of a garuda-headed naga, with wings and crown. I don't really know the name of the dhapur or this (probably) Mataram era keris..

Ganjawulung

Mans · 4th June 2007, 06:55 PM

Very interesting Mataram keris, Pak Ganjawulung...

And to make more interesting, here I posted my keris with relief too. The kinatah on this keris is original, but some side had worn off

So, perhaps you can give me advises regarding my keris, like tangguh and dapur.. ect...

Every opinion wellcome...

Raden Usman Djogja · 4th June 2007, 07:21 PM

Mans,

Would you please to show the relief in the bottom of gonjo?

Usman

Mans · 5th June 2007, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

Mans,

Would you please to show the relief in the bottom of gonjo?

Usman

Pak Raden, here I post the pictures on the bottom of gonjo.

Raden Usman Djogja · 5th June 2007, 09:57 AM

Mans,

thank you for uploading.
perhaps, the corroded panji wilis at the gandik has the same motive as a relief on the top of lizard head.

Mans · 5th June 2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

Mans,

thank you for uploading.
perhaps, the corroded panji wilis at the gandik has the same motive as a relief on the top of lizard head.

Thank you for your opinion Pak Raden,
But my keris had "King" relief / figure on the gandik.
So, do perhaps the kinatah motif under the gonjo is a Jamang (front of the crown)

Alam Shah · 5th June 2007, 02:48 PM

Mans,

When I looked closely, your gandik seems like a human figure in a squatting position, wearing a wayang headgear, including the earpiece. Perhaps just my imagination.

The blade is beautiful. I love looking at the layering on the blade, side profile.

Newsteel · 6th June 2007, 02:17 AM

Mans,
High possibilites that the figure at gandik sure looks like a squatting man wearing a headgear - possibly a king wearing the crown. That kinatah at the ganja could be jamang motifs. Impressive!!!

Mans · 6th June 2007, 09:29 PM

hi Alam,
Yes right that the figur looks like a human who wearing a wayang headgear

. Hei.. thats not just imagination.. Different with me who always imagine when I have the superb collections of Keris Sumatera, Bugis and Semenanjung like yours..

Also thank to Newsteel, you have same opinion with me that the figure is a king wearing the crown in squatting position

By more pictures we can know more about the keris styles.. and I hope other forumities will post another keris with relief too for reference

30th May 2007, 04:10 PM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	K e r i s w i t h R e l i e f (?) I don't know, whether you are interesting in such keris or not. I don't even know the name of the dhapur, either... Attached Images

4th June 2007, 06:55 PM	#8
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	Very interesting Mataram keris, Pak Ganjawulung... And to make more interesting, here I posted my keris with relief too. The kinatah on this keris is original, but some side had worn off So, perhaps you can give me advises regarding my keris, like tangguh and dapur.. ect... Every opinion wellcome... Attached Images

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30th May 2007, 04:15 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Ganja, Thanks for sharing all your interesting blades. Please add a picture with the motif shot straight forward. Is it Garuda??? Michael

30th May 2007, 04:23 PM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Dear Michael, Not so clear, what figure it is. Maybe Garuda-headed naga. The pamor in the naga's body, is "pamor tambal" (I don't know the right English word for it). There are no more traces of gold kinatah or tinatah left... Is there any info on this motive? (I will make it clearer, soon) Ganjawulung

31st May 2007, 01:59 AM	#4
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	Gonjo, if it is old keris, it looks alike either kanoman or kasepuhan cirebon sultanate. you are a cirebonese, arent you? Usman

4th June 2007, 07:21 PM	#9
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	Mans, Would you please to show the relief in the bottom of gonjo? Usman

5th June 2007, 09:57 AM	#11
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	Mans, thank you for uploading. perhaps, the corroded panji wilis at the gandik has the same motive as a relief on the top of lizard head.

5th June 2007, 02:48 PM	#13
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Mans, When I looked closely, your gandik seems like a human figure in a squatting position, wearing a wayang headgear, including the earpiece. Perhaps just my imagination. The blade is beautiful. I love looking at the layering on the blade, side profile.

6th June 2007, 02:17 AM	#14
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	Mans, High possibilites that the figure at gandik sure looks like a squatting man wearing a headgear - possibly a king wearing the crown. That kinatah at the ganja could be jamang motifs. Impressive!!!

6th June 2007, 09:29 PM	#15
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	hi Alam, Yes right that the figur looks like a human who wearing a wayang headgear . Hei.. thats not just imagination.. Different with me who always imagine when I have the superb collections of Keris Sumatera, Bugis and Semenanjung like yours.. Also thank to Newsteel, you have same opinion with me that the figure is a king wearing the crown in squatting position By more pictures we can know more about the keris styles.. and I hope other forumities will post another keris with relief too for reference