georgian/chechen pistol ?

Rivkin · 6th October 2006, 12:55 AM

This what I think is most likely georgian (p. 375 Astv.) or even chechen pistol, dated 1879 (?). Strange locks, to me look like very old turkish. Heavily used guy

. There are some strange marks under the barrels, look like hallmarks, unreadable, like a lot of zigzags. Enjoy !

Yannis · 6th October 2006, 08:55 AM

Very nice piece! But why you say about Turkish locks? From the photos I think they are miquelets, very common in Caucasus. The decoration of the locks, yes it is unusual. It could be Turkish or Persian. And the date is rather late for these locks, so maybe the locks are earlier and they were remount.

Marcus · 6th October 2006, 01:59 PM

I do agree they are probably miquelet locks but it would be nice to see a better picture of them. However, the use of this style lock is not too anamolous for the date, since that style remained popular in many regions throughout the flintlock era. One frequently sees Albanian miquelets that were Turkish contract pieces made in the early 1800's, and miquelet percussion pistols were made in Spain in the early-mid 19th century (see links below).
Marcus

Albanian:
http://www.mbi.ufl.edu/papkelab/curios/RatTail.JPG

Spanish:
http://www.mbi.ufl.edu/papkelab/curios/BeltPistol.JPG

Rivkin · 6th October 2006, 03:47 PM

well, I thought that it is XVIIIth century, possibly even the first half (based on locks). But then I saw the signature (displayed above) on the locks which I think quite certainly testifies to the end of XIXth century.

Marcus · 7th October 2006, 02:19 PM

So, they are not Miquelet locks after all?
Marcus

Rivkin · 9th October 2006, 03:09 AM

Definitely miquelet.

6th October 2006, 12:55 AM	#1
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	georgian/chechen pistol ? This what I think is most likely georgian (p. 375 Astv.) or even chechen pistol, dated 1879 (?). Strange locks, to me look like very old turkish. Heavily used guy . There are some strange marks under the barrels, look like hallmarks, unreadable, like a lot of zigzags. Enjoy ! Attached Images

6th October 2006, 01:59 PM	#3
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	locks I do agree they are probably miquelet locks but it would be nice to see a better picture of them. However, the use of this style lock is not too anamolous for the date, since that style remained popular in many regions throughout the flintlock era. One frequently sees Albanian miquelets that were Turkish contract pieces made in the early 1800's, and miquelet percussion pistols were made in Spain in the early-mid 19th century (see links below). Marcus Albanian: http://www.mbi.ufl.edu/papkelab/curios/RatTail.JPG Spanish: http://www.mbi.ufl.edu/papkelab/curios/BeltPistol.JPG

6th October 2006, 03:47 PM	#4
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	well, I thought that it is XVIIIth century, possibly even the first half (based on locks). But then I saw the signature (displayed above) on the locks which I think quite certainly testifies to the end of XIXth century. Attached Images Last edited by Rivkin; 6th October 2006 at 06:25 PM.

7th October 2006, 02:19 PM	#5
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	locks So, they are not Miquelet locks after all? Marcus

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6th October 2006, 08:55 AM	#2
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Very nice piece! But why you say about Turkish locks? From the photos I think they are miquelets, very common in Caucasus. The decoration of the locks, yes it is unusual. It could be Turkish or Persian. And the date is rather late for these locks, so maybe the locks are earlier and they were remount.

9th October 2006, 03:09 AM	#6
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Definitely miquelet.