Nobility Moro/Malay kris in silver dress

Ian · Yesterday, 12:20 PM

Sajen and Gustav,

Thank you both for your excellent comments and perspectives on this sword. i have not seen another similar pendok on a Moro kris, and your comments strongly suggest that the dress of this sword is not primarily Moro (although there are some similar elements—as noted above). Presumably, the dress reflected the tastes of the (eventual) owner. Would either of you care to speculate, based on the styles identified, where that owner may have resided?

Regards, Ian.

Sajen · Yesterday, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Would either of you care to speculate, based on the styles identified, where that owner may have resided?

Hi Ian,

I would guess that the first owner was situated in the greater Riau region, like Gustav stated, the sampir is in Riau style and the pendok is very Sumatran in style so this would be my conclusion that this ensemble was put together in this region.

Regards,
Detlef

David · Yesterday, 03:56 PM

While i see why Ian and Sajen are leaning towards a Moro origin for the blade, the pamor pattern in low contrasting material that resembles Ujung Gunung makes me consider that this may possibly have an Indonesian origin. I have never seen this on a Moro keris.
And Ian, i believe the word for the Indonesian staining solution that you were looking for was "warangan".
This is a very beautiful kris and ensemble. I'd say you are fortunate if this is now in your collection.

Ian · Today, 05:02 AM

David, thank you for the kind words and comments. I have corrected the spelling of warangan. And yes, this sword lives with me now. I am most grateful to the previous owner for parting with it and having kept it so well for ~70 years.

There is a large amount of silver (probably sterling silver or similar grade) on the hit and pendok. I have not had it tested yet. Total silver by weight has been estimated at about 220–240 grams.

Gustav · Today, 06:25 AM

Pamor is, what is called Pucuk Rebung/Raja Abala Raja/Jungjung Derajat. As I understand, Pucuk Rebung was more used in Sumatran/Peninsular context.
While this Pamor could be very rare or unique for a Moro blade, sometimes quite unexpected Pamor can appear on these.

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Yesterday, 12:20 PM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,729	Sajen and Gustav, Thank you both for your excellent comments and perspectives on this sword. i have not seen another similar pendok on a Moro kris, and your comments strongly suggest that the dress of this sword is not primarily Moro (although there are some similar elements—as noted above). Presumably, the dress reflected the tastes of the (eventual) owner. Would either of you care to speculate, based on the styles identified, where that owner may have resided? Regards, Ian.

Yesterday, 03:56 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,294	While i see why Ian and Sajen are leaning towards a Moro origin for the blade, the pamor pattern in low contrasting material that resembles Ujung Gunung makes me consider that this may possibly have an Indonesian origin. I have never seen this on a Moro keris. And Ian, i believe the word for the Indonesian staining solution that you were looking for was "warangan". This is a very beautiful kris and ensemble. I'd say you are fortunate if this is now in your collection.

Today, 05:02 AM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,729	David, thank you for the kind words and comments. I have corrected the spelling of warangan. And yes, this sword lives with me now. I am most grateful to the previous owner for parting with it and having kept it so well for ~70 years. There is a large amount of silver (probably sterling silver or similar grade) on the hit and pendok. I have not had it tested yet. Total silver by weight has been estimated at about 220–240 grams.

Today, 06:25 AM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,337	Pamor is, what is called Pucuk Rebung/Raja Abala Raja/Jungjung Derajat. As I understand, Pucuk Rebung was more used in Sumatran/Peninsular context. While this Pamor could be very rare or unique for a Moro blade, sometimes quite unexpected Pamor can appear on these.