Help please ,any info?

Jayaningkurnia · 24th November 2025, 10:12 PM

Greetings everyone. I am a newcomers and joiners (after spending some time going through the forums and learning invaluable insights from the various threads and posting - forever grateful for the generous sharing of your knowledge and wisdom).

By way of introduction, I am an Indonesian of Jogja heritage but grew up in Singapore and only recently started learning about the wonderful world of tosan aji. I have been trying to absorb as much as I can (also want to say thank you to Mr. Maisey for his list of recommended keris literatures and resources - very helpful and I've been fortunate enough to be able to source some of it to initiate my learnings).

Just wanted to add on the matter brought up by Mr. Maisey - I wholeheartedly agree on the importance of using the proper name for a keris hilt design. I hope as a community of people who care about tosan aji, we try to be more accurate and careful in trying to use the proper terms. While the use of "collectively-agreed" name might have started from innocent misunderstanding or mistaken recollection, the impact of perpetuating such 'corrupted' name is significant as it may cause future difficulties in understanding the origin and didactic/philosophical content of the design which might eventually be lost altogether (like many values behind the various kris component designs that have been lost thus far).

One (version of) fascinating story behind this design can be found in this article: https://duniadian.com/keliru-hulu-pottre-sadhu/ (in Indonesian but can be easily translated using Google translate).

With regards to the keris originally posted at the start of this thread - the angles and cropping of the image makes it challenging, but if I may take a stab: the dhapur is quite pakem pandawa cinarita, pamor pedaringan kebak, of mataram characters, the design of the luk and the greneng (to my newbie eyes) suggest old mataram (senopaten?).

The warangka is Jogja gayaman-style, seemingly from timoho wood. The pendhok (the metal tube covering the blade area) seems to be of decent quality based on the carving, though I can't quite make out the design from the image; likewise can't see the mendhak design well. The highly stylised pottre sadhu hilt seems to be of fine carvings (and to me a source of confusion as to why this hilt is paired with these warangka and blade).

Offering my two cents - if I am mistaken please just consider this a rambling of an overly excited newbie. Looking forward to learning more.

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24th November 2025, 10:12 PM	#9
Jayaningkurnia Member Join Date: Nov 2025 Posts: 4	Greetings everyone. I am a newcomers and joiners (after spending some time going through the forums and learning invaluable insights from the various threads and posting - forever grateful for the generous sharing of your knowledge and wisdom). By way of introduction, I am an Indonesian of Jogja heritage but grew up in Singapore and only recently started learning about the wonderful world of tosan aji. I have been trying to absorb as much as I can (also want to say thank you to Mr. Maisey for his list of recommended keris literatures and resources - very helpful and I've been fortunate enough to be able to source some of it to initiate my learnings). Just wanted to add on the matter brought up by Mr. Maisey - I wholeheartedly agree on the importance of using the proper name for a keris hilt design. I hope as a community of people who care about tosan aji, we try to be more accurate and careful in trying to use the proper terms. While the use of "collectively-agreed" name might have started from innocent misunderstanding or mistaken recollection, the impact of perpetuating such 'corrupted' name is significant as it may cause future difficulties in understanding the origin and didactic/philosophical content of the design which might eventually be lost altogether (like many values behind the various kris component designs that have been lost thus far). One (version of) fascinating story behind this design can be found in this article: https://duniadian.com/keliru-hulu-pottre-sadhu/ (in Indonesian but can be easily translated using Google translate). With regards to the keris originally posted at the start of this thread - the angles and cropping of the image makes it challenging, but if I may take a stab: the dhapur is quite pakem pandawa cinarita, pamor pedaringan kebak, of mataram characters, the design of the luk and the greneng (to my newbie eyes) suggest old mataram (senopaten?). The warangka is Jogja gayaman-style, seemingly from timoho wood. The pendhok (the metal tube covering the blade area) seems to be of decent quality based on the carving, though I can't quite make out the design from the image; likewise can't see the mendhak design well. The highly stylised pottre sadhu hilt seems to be of fine carvings (and to me a source of confusion as to why this hilt is paired with these warangka and blade). Offering my two cents - if I am mistaken please just consider this a rambling of an overly excited newbie. Looking forward to learning more.