Three Spear blades ... Zulu ?

fernando · 23rd July 2006, 01:39 PM

Hello, i am needing some guidance.
I have just bought these, in a street fair.They look some old and reasonably cared of, though.
The ones with the large sockets have no traces from their hafts, but the fixing nails are still there, and looking original.
The one with the more fragile socket has the haft stump left inside. The material is wood and the fixing is done with three tiny studs. Maybe a modern arrangement, i don't know enough to judge.
Any coments on their provenance, age and classification would be much wellcome.
fernando

The Double D · 23rd July 2006, 02:42 PM

From the imfoprmation I have in my massive two volume library on the Zulu culture those are not Zulu.

Zulu spears are tang and not socket and have no decoration.

Nice looking blades how ever.

Freddy · 23rd July 2006, 03:06 PM

I've been checking my books and found this in 'Waffen aus Zentral-Afrika' (Museum für Völkerkunde, Frankfurt am Main - 1985) :

A similar blade as spear blade #1 can be found on page 189, fig. 226. According to this book it is attribuated to a tribe in Eastern Congo (Nsakara ?).

The other two blades #2 and #3 could be from Northern Cameroon. If you look at page 160, fig. 163, you can see the similarity in decoration on the spear blade in the book and on your two blades.
The book gives no further details.

I hope this helps ?

fernando · 23rd July 2006, 03:17 PM

Splendid track, Freddy
So much obliged for that..
Could you guess the age of these pieces ? 19th century?

fernando · 23rd July 2006, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Double D

Zulu spears are tang and not socket ...

Now you got me, Double D.
I thaught those steel collars on the Iklwas were actual blade sockets.
One never ceases to learn.

Freddy · 23rd July 2006, 03:34 PM

Difficult to tell the age of these blades. The Cameroon blade in the Museum book was collected between 1900 and 1908.
Yours could be of the same age. But that's just my guess.

fernando · 23rd July 2006, 03:39 PM

Dank u wel

fernando · 23rd July 2006, 05:50 PM

Hi again, Double D
The only Iklwa i have has an iron collar, instead of the often seen binding.
For a moment i made up in my mind that it was the blade socket ... silly me.
BTW, can you pronounce "Umhlanga" like the locals do ? Beautyfull place.
No sharks around, anymore ?
fernando

The Double D · 23rd July 2006, 06:15 PM

You mean umshlanga!

Here is the a picture of an isiJula showing the cow tail binding method binding a Zulu spear.

I have this iKlwa with a woven rattan binding.

I have another iKlwa that is very old that came from a thatched roof that has just leather wrapping.

This last one is an awesome blade and I would not feel uncomfortable saying this may, may be a Shaka era blade.

Freddy, would you know if that museum has a similar book on
Southern Africa?

fernando · 23rd July 2006, 06:22 PM

My only Iklwa.
I am sure this blade fixing system is also to consider.

The Double D · 23rd July 2006, 07:47 PM

Interesting. My guess is that if you examine the band very closely you will find it is a separate pieces and not part of the blade. Didn't you say that already? Yep scrolled down aand there it was. Can you see if there is any kind of binding under the band?

I have a seen a lot of the binding of copper, copper and steel wire, copper and aluminum wire and colored plastic coated wire.

Krige reports that when the Zulu troops returned from battle, "The warriors threw away their loin cloths worn during the war and cleaned up their spears, fitting them with new handles." So it would only seem normal for new types of bindings to show up.

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23rd July 2006, 01:39 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Three Spear blades ... Zulu ? Hello, i am needing some guidance. I have just bought these, in a street fair.They look some old and reasonably cared of, though. The ones with the large sockets have no traces from their hafts, but the fixing nails are still there, and looking original. The one with the more fragile socket has the haft stump left inside. The material is wood and the fixing is done with three tiny studs. Maybe a modern arrangement, i don't know enough to judge. Any coments on their provenance, age and classification would be much wellcome. fernando Attached Images

23rd July 2006, 02:42 PM	#2
The Double D Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the banks of Cut Bank Creek, Montana Posts: 189	From the imfoprmation I have in my massive two volume library on the Zulu culture those are not Zulu. Zulu spears are tang and not socket and have no decoration. Nice looking blades how ever.

23rd July 2006, 03:06 PM	#3
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Good spear blades I've been checking my books and found this in 'Waffen aus Zentral-Afrika' (Museum für Völkerkunde, Frankfurt am Main - 1985) : A similar blade as spear blade #1 can be found on page 189, fig. 226. According to this book it is attribuated to a tribe in Eastern Congo (Nsakara ?). The other two blades #2 and #3 could be from Northern Cameroon. If you look at page 160, fig. 163, you can see the similarity in decoration on the spear blade in the book and on your two blades. The book gives no further details. I hope this helps ?

23rd July 2006, 03:34 PM	#6
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Difficult to tell the age of these blades. The Cameroon blade in the Museum book was collected between 1900 and 1908. Yours could be of the same age. But that's just my guess.

23rd July 2006, 03:39 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Dank u wel

23rd July 2006, 05:50 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi again, Double D The only Iklwa i have has an iron collar, instead of the often seen binding. For a moment i made up in my mind that it was the blade socket ... silly me. BTW, can you pronounce "Umhlanga" like the locals do ? Beautyfull place. No sharks around, anymore ? fernando

23rd July 2006, 06:15 PM	#9
The Double D Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the banks of Cut Bank Creek, Montana Posts: 189	You mean umshlanga! Here is the a picture of an isiJula showing the cow tail binding method binding a Zulu spear. I have this iKlwa with a woven rattan binding. I have another iKlwa that is very old that came from a thatched roof that has just leather wrapping. This last one is an awesome blade and I would not feel uncomfortable saying this may, may be a Shaka era blade. Freddy, would you know if that museum has a similar book on Southern Africa?

23rd July 2006, 07:47 PM	#11
The Double D Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the banks of Cut Bank Creek, Montana Posts: 189	Interesting. My guess is that if you examine the band very closely you will find it is a separate pieces and not part of the blade. Didn't you say that already? Yep scrolled down aand there it was. Can you see if there is any kind of binding under the band? I have a seen a lot of the binding of copper, copper and steel wire, copper and aluminum wire and colored plastic coated wire. Krige reports that when the Zulu troops returned from battle, "The warriors threw away their loin cloths worn during the war and cleaned up their spears, fitting them with new handles." So it would only seem normal for new types of bindings to show up.