Indonesian small sword for I.D.

francantolin · 10th January 2025, 05:17 PM

Hello dear members and happy new year !!

I just got this nice small Indonesian saber I think,
with silver mounts ((the guard too. )
The mix of Dutch??/colonial influence iis nteresting with a beautiful pamor blade ( maybe overetched ?)
With an heavy back but really sharp edges.

About influences, maybe an oriental touch with a pronounced yelman.

glad if you have information about age and the precise origin.

Kind regards

Maurice · 10th January 2025, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by francantolin

Hello dear members and happy new year !!

I just got this nice small Indonesian saber I think,
with silver mounts ((the guard too. )
The mix of Dutch??/colonial influence iis nteresting with a beautiful pamor blade ( maybe overetched ?)
With an heavy back but really sharp edges.

About influences, maybe an oriental touch with a pronounced yelman.

glad if you have information about age and the precise origin.

Kind regards

Hi,

A nice old indigeneous Javanese sword you have there. Probably especially made by Javanese craftsmen for a Dutch marechaussee
(By order or for real use or as a gift).

What are the measurements?

You clearly can see the Dutch colonial 'style' in this piece. Also the double edge of the blade tip could be derived from the Dutch Hembrug klewang 'clip point', but than more prolonged (according the blacksmiths or owners taste).

It is from around 1870!

Regards,
Maurice

francantolin · 10th January 2025, 05:54 PM

Thank's a lot Maurice for the quck reply !!!

It is 63cm long / 24.8 inches with scabbard.
Small sword ( a specific javanese name ?? )
''High status/ceremonial for me with the silver guard but with razor sharp blade )

do you know if we often find this kind of pamor blades on colonial Dutch like sabers ?
I usually saw this type of pamor on kriss

Kind regards

Sajen · 10th January 2025, 06:16 PM

Agree with everything Maurice has stated! Nice one! And yes, this style is known. I would name it pedang. I just would rub the blade with WD40 and let it dry, then give it some oil. Very nice one, I like it. Have you tested the fittings for silver?

Regards,
Detlef

francantolin · 11th January 2025, 04:36 PM

Thank you for your comment

yes they are indeed silver
I first cleaned well the guard and the scabbard mounts who were darkened ( didn't take pics of before/after )
They easily became shiny again,
they are of course non-magnetic ? ( magnet test...)
and for the guard , I placed a little silver reagent on it
Because I wasn't 1000% sure
( w ebay...&#128077

Kind regards

Sajen · 12th January 2025, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francantolin

Thank you for your comment

yes they are indeed silver
I first cleaned well the guard and the scabbard mounts who were darkened ( didn't take pics of before/after )
They easily became shiny again,
they are of course non-magnetic ? ( magnet test...)
and for the guard , I placed a little silver reagent on it
Because I wasn't 1000% sure

It's a really nice sword. I still look for something similar.

Regards,
Detlef

Rafngard · 13th January 2025, 03:47 PM

Could this be one of these one, with Western Military style fittings and pamor blades were part of the palace guard's ceremonial uniforms at many kraton during the late colonial period (1850-1940 or so).

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24413

Have fun,
Leif

Rafngard · 13th January 2025, 03:49 PM

Here is mine that I believe to be of this style.

Sajen · 13th January 2025, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rafngard

Here is mine that I believe to be of this style.

Very nice!

francantolin · 13th January 2025, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafngard

Here is mine that I believe to be of this style.

Really Nice and similar thank you for share it

Has the blade too à ''yelman'' ?

Rafngard · Yesterday, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francantolin

Really Nice and similar thank you for share it

Has the blade too à ''yelman'' ?

Nope. No yelman on mine.

Thanks,
Leif

Maurice · Yesterday, 07:04 PM

Hi,

here's one I sold many years ago, which was a very nice (and dated) sword.
The total length was 775mm.

Horn handle with silver endcap, ferrule, handguard and chains. The shape in Javanese style but with a Dutch flavour considering the ribbed grip.

Wooden scabbard, covered in leather with old patina (as seen on the Dutch Marechaussee klewangs), and with a silver scabbardmouth. The sheath also made again in Javanese style with a Dutch touch.

Indigeneous heavy laminated blade / engraved with a "Dutch" date: MEI 1870 (Dutch for MAY 1870).
The blade had an upward curvature and fuller along the back, and had a length of 610mm, and 10mm thick at the spine near the base.

10th January 2025, 06:16 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,982	Agree with everything Maurice has stated! Nice one! And yes, this style is known. I would name it pedang. I just would rub the blade with WD40 and let it dry, then give it some oil. Very nice one, I like it. Have you tested the fittings for silver? Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 10th January 2025 at 09:27 PM. Reason: Add information

13th January 2025, 03:49 PM	#8
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 345	Here is mine that I believe to be of this style. Attached Images

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10th January 2025, 05:17 PM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 889	Indonesian small sword for I.D. Hello dear members and happy new year !! I just got this nice small Indonesian saber I think, with silver mounts ((the guard too. ) The mix of Dutch??/colonial influence iis nteresting with a beautiful pamor blade ( maybe overetched ?) With an heavy back but really sharp edges. About influences, maybe an oriental touch with a pronounced yelman. glad if you have information about age and the precise origin. Kind regards Attached Images

10th January 2025, 05:54 PM	#3
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 889	Thank's a lot Maurice for the quck reply !!! It is 63cm long / 24.8 inches with scabbard. Small sword ( a specific javanese name ?? ) ''High status/ceremonial for me with the silver guard but with razor sharp blade ) do you know if we often find this kind of pamor blades on colonial Dutch like sabers ? I usually saw this type of pamor on kriss Kind regards

11th January 2025, 04:36 PM	#5
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 889	Thank you for your comment yes they are indeed silver I first cleaned well the guard and the scabbard mounts who were darkened ( didn't take pics of before/after ) They easily became shiny again, they are of course non-magnetic ? ( magnet test...) and for the guard , I placed a little silver reagent on it Because I wasn't 1000% sure ( w ebay...&#128077 Kind regards

13th January 2025, 03:47 PM	#7
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 345	Could this be one of these one, with Western Military style fittings and pamor blades were part of the palace guard's ceremonial uniforms at many kraton during the late colonial period (1850-1940 or so). http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24413 Have fun, Leif

Yesterday, 07:04 PM	#12
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,405	Hi, here's one I sold many years ago, which was a very nice (and dated) sword. The total length was 775mm. Horn handle with silver endcap, ferrule, handguard and chains. The shape in Javanese style but with a Dutch flavour considering the ribbed grip. Wooden scabbard, covered in leather with old patina (as seen on the Dutch Marechaussee klewangs), and with a silver scabbardmouth. The sheath also made again in Javanese style with a Dutch touch. Indigeneous heavy laminated blade / engraved with a "Dutch" date: MEI 1870 (Dutch for MAY 1870). The blade had an upward curvature and fuller along the back, and had a length of 610mm, and 10mm thick at the spine near the base. Attached Images