Black Sea Yataghan/Laz Bichaq Variant ???

Ian · 9th June 2006, 06:51 AM

The blade on this one seems very familiar, with its marked recurve and widened distal half, highly reminiscent of our old friend the Black Sea Yataghan. However, the hilt is completely different from the usual bifid shape, instead being similar to those seen on kindjal and qama.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6634481420

Without examining the piece directly it is hard to know if this is a rehilted blade or whether the hilt is contemporary to the blade. Either way, it's a very unusual sword.

Ian.

VANDOO · 9th June 2006, 07:54 AM

SURE LOOKS LIKE A BLACK SEA YAG. BLADE AND THE HANDLE LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL OR IF REHILTED IT WAS A LONG WHILE BACK. A NEAT VARIATION

Valjhun · 9th June 2006, 08:33 AM

I'm quite sure that it was born that way, and not rehilted. Another confirmation of it's origin I would guess, A KINDJAL HILT, NEVER SEEN BEFORE. Not one of the nicest but interesting feature, I saw it, I wanted it desperatly, but the seller blocked my account from bidding on that.

jerk

Has anybody from the forum got it? If so, We're really looking forward to see better pictures.

SenSei, any comments on thatone?

ariel · 9th June 2006, 03:10 PM

I watched this one carefully and am very glad it stayed within the Forum family.
Ian, Congratulations!
What I find interesting is the ricasso area: in all Laz Bicagis I've seen, the blade ends on a kind of slant, very much like Flyssa. That is why Tirri ( and I , must admit) insisted on it's North African origin.
This one looks like a true Kinjal. Pity the handle buttons are missing. Would love to see how they look

RhysMichael · 9th June 2006, 03:24 PM

I bid on this one also but I am glad if I did not get it that Ian did. Great catch I can't wait to see more pictures

Ian · 9th June 2006, 04:09 PM

Will post more pictures once I receive it. Thanks for all the comments to date.

Ian.

Valjhun · 3rd July 2006, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Will post more pictures once I receive it. Thanks for all the comments to date.

Ian.

Ian, have you recived it?

Ian · 4th July 2006, 01:00 AM

Sword was received right before I left for my vacation in Australia. Will post pics when I get back in two weeks. Sorry for the delay.

Just a quick update having had a chance to inspect it.

I'm convinced the blade is an example of the BSY. It has almost certainly been rehilted, but not recently. There is evidence of modification to the hilt to accommodate the kindjal style handle.

More details coming with the pics.

Ian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valjhun

Ian, have you recived it?

9th June 2006, 06:51 AM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	Black Sea Yataghan/Laz Bichaq Variant ??? The blade on this one seems very familiar, with its marked recurve and widened distal half, highly reminiscent of our old friend the Black Sea Yataghan. However, the hilt is completely different from the usual bifid shape, instead being similar to those seen on kindjal and qama. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6634481420 Without examining the piece directly it is hard to know if this is a rehilted blade or whether the hilt is contemporary to the blade. Either way, it's a very unusual sword. Ian.

9th June 2006, 08:33 AM	#3
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I'm quite sure that it was born that way, and not rehilted. Another confirmation of it's origin I would guess, A KINDJAL HILT, NEVER SEEN BEFORE. Not one of the nicest but interesting feature, I saw it, I wanted it desperatly, but the seller blocked my account from bidding on that. jerk Has anybody from the forum got it? If so, We're really looking forward to see better pictures. SenSei, any comments on thatone? Last edited by Valjhun; 9th June 2006 at 01:08 PM.

9th June 2006, 04:09 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	More pictures coming ... Will post more pictures once I receive it. Thanks for all the comments to date. Ian.

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9th June 2006, 07:54 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	SURE LOOKS LIKE A BLACK SEA YAG. BLADE AND THE HANDLE LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL OR IF REHILTED IT WAS A LONG WHILE BACK. A NEAT VARIATION

9th June 2006, 03:10 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I watched this one carefully and am very glad it stayed within the Forum family. Ian, Congratulations! What I find interesting is the ricasso area: in all Laz Bicagis I've seen, the blade ends on a kind of slant, very much like Flyssa. That is why Tirri ( and I , must admit) insisted on it's North African origin. This one looks like a true Kinjal. Pity the handle buttons are missing. Would love to see how they look

9th June 2006, 03:24 PM	#5
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	I bid on this one also but I am glad if I did not get it that Ian did. Great catch I can't wait to see more pictures