Keris owner seeks enlightenment

Alam Shah · 2nd June 2006, 02:52 PM

Kino, ....errr... it's an Anak Alang (not Alam

).

You can see VVV's panjang examples for some ideas for the pendokok (stemmed selut).
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...bum.php&page=3

For your hilt...hmmm... maybe should use the 'hot needle' test to see if it's plastic.

Rick · 2nd June 2006, 03:22 PM

Alam Shah , if I might ask ; the example I show is not a Bahari either ?
Can you offer some insights on it please ?
Thanks

Rick

Alam Shah · 2nd June 2006, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Alam Shah , if I might ask ; the example I show is not a Bahari either ?
Can you offer some insights on it please ?
Thanks
Rick

Afaik, the shortest blade length is known as Bahari (est. from 6" to 10"), then Anak Alang (est. from 10" to 14"), Alang (est. from 14" to 16"), then the panjang (est. from 16" and above.) These are just estimates.

If anyone have an exact measurement, kindly advise accordingly.

Rick · 2nd June 2006, 08:05 PM

Anak Alang it is then ; thank you Alam Shah .

This brings up another question for me though ; if all Panjang blades are straight (except for those with luks) is this keris then in fact a one luk Anak Alang ?

Alam Shah · 3rd June 2006, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Anak Alang it is then ; thank you Alam Shah .

This brings up another question for me though ; if all Panjang blades are straight (except for those with luks) is this keris then in fact a one luk Anak Alang ?

There are panjangs with luks too.
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Hmmm... Rick, your blade have all the characteristics of a Bahari/Anak Alang/Alang keris blade, however it's subtle bend is uncommon. I guess you could call it a one luk Anak Alang...

any objections?

Rick · 3rd June 2006, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

There are panjangs with luks too.
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Hmmm... Rick, your blade have all the characteristics of a Bahari/Anak Alang/Alang keris blade, however it's subtle bend is uncommon. I guess you could call it a one luk Anak Alang...

any objections?

No objections at all Alam Shah ; but I do not think that the curve is all that subtle .

I find this quite interesting because to the best of my recollection I have never seen another keris with one luk . I have a nice example of a simple Bugis keris that bears a slight curve ; I would not however call it a luk .

but this one ...

Alam Shah · 3rd June 2006, 03:23 AM

The sepokal blade of your bugis blade is designed that way. It's not an apple to apple comparison to a bahari/anak alang/alang class blade.

Bugis Sepokal blades does have an angular profile. My examples.
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/albums/...DSCF3893_1.jpg
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/albums/...6/DSCF5537.jpg

Hmmm... this angular profile does not qualify as a luk. On second thought, yours is an angular profile too, so NO luk for you.

Therefore Rick, yours is an Anak Alang (no luks).

kino · 3rd June 2006, 04:18 AM

[QUOTE=Alam Shah]Kino, ....errr... it's an Anak Alang (not Alam

).

Alam Shah, like I said in the beginning of this thread "I'm in a field in which I know next to nothing". Thanks for correcting me

I think I'll forgo the hot needle test and live with not really knowing.

Anyone out there with a pendodok collecting dust, PM me and I'll give it a good home.

kai · 3rd June 2006, 10:06 AM

Quote:

I think I'll forgo the hot needle test and live with not really knowing.

You can easily do that test within the hilt's hole for the tang without (noticeable) damage!

Regards,
Kai

Alam Shah · 3rd June 2006, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kino

Anyone out there with a pendokok collecting dust, PM me and I'll give it a good home.

What's the diameter of the hilt and the tang? To ensure a good fit.

RobT · 4th June 2006, 04:33 AM

Alam Shah,
Thanks for the the measurments for Bahari, Anak Alang, and Alang. I had never heard of the Alang before so I am doubly grateful for that one.
Sincerely,
RobT

kino · 4th June 2006, 06:43 AM

Thank you for you comments, Rahman.

Aam Shah, I will give you the dimensions as soon as I can remove the hilt.
I'm having difficulty removing it. I will have to apply a little heat and some twisting and pulling.

3rd June 2006, 03:23 AM	#7
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Correction... The sepokal blade of your bugis blade is designed that way. It's not an apple to apple comparison to a bahari/anak alang/alang class blade. Bugis Sepokal blades does have an angular profile. My examples. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/albums/...DSCF3893_1.jpg http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/albums/...6/DSCF5537.jpg Hmmm... this angular profile does not qualify as a luk. On second thought, yours is an angular profile too, so NO luk for you. Therefore Rick, yours is an Anak Alang (no luks). Last edited by Alam Shah; 3rd June 2006 at 03:48 AM.

4th June 2006, 04:33 AM	#11
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 574	Thanks for the measurements Alam Shah, Thanks for the the measurments for Bahari, Anak Alang, and Alang. I had never heard of the Alang before so I am doubly grateful for that one. Sincerely, RobT

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2nd June 2006, 02:52 PM	#1
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Kino, ....errr... it's an Anak Alang (not Alam ). You can see VVV's panjang examples for some ideas for the pendokok (stemmed selut). http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...bum.php&page=3 For your hilt...hmmm... maybe should use the 'hot needle' test to see if it's plastic.

2nd June 2006, 03:22 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,378	Alam Shah , if I might ask ; the example I show is not a Bahari either ? Can you offer some insights on it please ? Thanks Rick

2nd June 2006, 08:05 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,378	Anak Alang it is then ; thank you Alam Shah . This brings up another question for me though ; if all Panjang blades are straight (except for those with luks) is this keris then in fact a one luk Anak Alang ?

3rd June 2006, 04:18 AM	#8
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,021	[QUOTE=Alam Shah]Kino, ....errr... it's an Anak Alang (not Alam ). Alam Shah, like I said in the beginning of this thread "I'm in a field in which I know next to nothing". Thanks for correcting me I think I'll forgo the hot needle test and live with not really knowing. Anyone out there with a pendodok collecting dust, PM me and I'll give it a good home.

4th June 2006, 06:43 AM	#12
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,021	Thank you for you comments, Rahman. Aam Shah, I will give you the dimensions as soon as I can remove the hilt. I'm having difficulty removing it. I will have to apply a little heat and some twisting and pulling.