Metal Balinese hilt with sheath

Marcokeris · 21st February 2020, 07:47 AM

i like this Balinese hilt

Jean · 21st February 2020, 02:32 PM

The Bayu style hilt is of standard quality, not so good but not so bad IMO.
The old blade seems to miss its gonjo, and the recent scabbard is in approximate serengatan style.

Regards

apolaki · 21st February 2020, 10:49 PM

Hi Jean, how old do you think the blade is and is there a name for the shape and style?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

The Bayu style hilt is of standard quality, not so good but not so bad IMO.
The old blade seems to miss its gonjo, and the recent scabbard is in approximate serengatan style.

Regards

kai · 21st February 2020, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apolaki

Hi Jean, how old do you think the blade is and is there a name for the shape and style?

BTW, I'm far from convinced that this blade ever had any gonjo.

Anyway, the only available moniker would be "out-of-pakem"...

With low quality blades, it does not make sense to try to fathom dhapur or traditional naming conventions since there probably never were any, sorry.

Regards,
Kai

Jean · 22nd February 2020, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

BTW, I'm far from convinced that this blade ever had any gonjo.

Anyway, the only available moniker would be "out-of-pakem"...

With low quality blades, it does not make sense to try to fathom dhapur or traditional naming conventions since there probably never were any, sorry.

Regards,
Kai

Hi Apolaki,
I agree with Kai about the low quality of the blade but I enlarged the pic of the base of the blade (sorsoran) and it seems that the pejetan (cavity on the gandik side of the blade) extends to the bottom of the blade, which is an indication that the ganja is missing. Apolaki, is it the case?
Regards

David · 22nd February 2020, 03:33 PM

I'm with Jean on this one. I believe that this keris is indeed missing its gonjo.
From these photographs i cannot tell if this is a Balinese blade. It does look a bit short and has no obvious distinguishing features that would mark it as Balinese in origin.
I also think that the hilt that is perhaps on the low end of middle quality for this type. Definitely contemporary and not made for a person of any particular standing, but much worse examples of this style exist for sure.
Noting that the "stones" are glass or paste is not, as has been pointed out on this forum numerous times, necessarily a mark of poor quality. In Bali pastes and glass "stones" often appear on high quality dress.
I would image there is a strong likelihood that this is a dealer special. An old, incomplete blade in poor condition matched with a semi-fancy hilt and placed in a recently carve formal style sarong that is not particularly executed well.

apolaki · 23rd February 2020, 05:10 AM

Hi Jean. Here are photos of the blade I just cleaned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Hi Apolaki,
I agree with Kai about the low quality of the blade but I enlarged the pic of the base of the blade (sorsoran) and it seems that the pejetan (cavity on the gandik side of the blade) extends to the bottom of the blade, which is an indication that the ganja is missing. Apolaki, is it the case?
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 23rd February 2020, 05:28 AM

This is a very peculiar looking keris.

I will not speculate on this because there is absolutely nothing available to base speculation on, but this blade is most certainly not like anything I have ever seen, and I have seen one hell of a lot of keris.

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21st February 2020, 07:47 AM	#1
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	i like this Balinese hilt

21st February 2020, 02:32 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	The Bayu style hilt is of standard quality, not so good but not so bad IMO. The old blade seems to miss its gonjo, and the recent scabbard is in approximate serengatan style. Regards

22nd February 2020, 03:33 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I'm with Jean on this one. I believe that this keris is indeed missing its gonjo. From these photographs i cannot tell if this is a Balinese blade. It does look a bit short and has no obvious distinguishing features that would mark it as Balinese in origin. I also think that the hilt that is perhaps on the low end of middle quality for this type. Definitely contemporary and not made for a person of any particular standing, but much worse examples of this style exist for sure. Noting that the "stones" are glass or paste is not, as has been pointed out on this forum numerous times, necessarily a mark of poor quality. In Bali pastes and glass "stones" often appear on high quality dress. I would image there is a strong likelihood that this is a dealer special. An old, incomplete blade in poor condition matched with a semi-fancy hilt and placed in a recently carve formal style sarong that is not particularly executed well.

23rd February 2020, 05:28 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	This is a very peculiar looking keris. I will not speculate on this because there is absolutely nothing available to base speculation on, but this blade is most certainly not like anything I have ever seen, and I have seen one hell of a lot of keris.