Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 1st September 2019, 07:22 AM   #1
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
Default Damascus Kukri

Greetings Folks,

Here is my newest kukri (thanks Rsword). It has a laminated steel blade with one large fuller and smaller ones up top. The hilt is chiseled steel i floral motif. I packed the recesses with lime (remnants of lime was already in the hilt).

Damascus bladed kukri's appear to be rare, and this one I suspect might be from the early to mid 1800s (or earlier according to Rick's informant).

Enjoy.
Attached Images
    
Battara is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 1st September 2019, 11:15 AM   #2
francantolin
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 871
Default

Waouh,
Lovely !
Really nice piece !

Will you use sandstone 800/100 for clean/sand it ?
francantolin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1st September 2019, 07:27 PM   #3
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
Default

I was luck - it was already polished. Just had to use acetone to get off the old oils. then I etched the blade and limed the hilt.

Also I forgot that it could also be from the late 1700s during the Indian Mutiny.
Battara is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 1st September 2019, 10:51 PM   #4
Ian
Vikingsword Staff
 
Ian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Aussie Bush
Posts: 4,194
Default

Very nice kukri! Congrats.
Ian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd September 2019, 01:48 AM   #5
Ferguson
Member
 
Ferguson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Kernersville, NC, USA
Posts: 793
Default

What an outstanding piece. Congrats!

Steve
Ferguson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd September 2019, 10:43 AM   #6
RAMBA
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 98
Default

This is a nice kukri that I would put to the Indian Mutany period based on other similar kukri with steel hilt, full tang peened arrangement, fullering and laminated steel. 1857–59 or there about.

"Indian Mutiny, also called Sepoy Mutiny or First War of Independence, widespread but unsuccessful rebellion against British rule in India in 1857–59. Begun in Meerut by Indian troops (sepoys) in the service of the British East India Company, it spread to Delhi, Agra, Kanpur, and Lucknow."

Didn't bid on this one as I have another two inbound.
RAMBA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd September 2019, 05:10 PM   #7
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,761
Default

Hi Jose,
Very nice piece! Blade is after my fancy too dark etched, or too strong, I would repolish the blade a little bit. Anyway, congrats!

Regards,
Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd September 2019, 06:28 PM   #8
mariusgmioc
Member
 
mariusgmioc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Austria
Posts: 1,903
Default

Very good and rare aquisition!
However, this is not a kris so the etching should be very discrete... if any.
I suspect it was over-etched to make the pattern discernable in the photos, and facilitate the sale.
So, I agree with Detlef and suggest you polish it a little. The pattern should be only visible in reflected light.
mariusgmioc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd September 2019, 10:52 PM   #9
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
Default

Thanks folks.

I will go back and repolish and re-etch the blade to where it won't be so dark and a little more subtle.

Also I'll also get back to you on the measurements as well.
Battara is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd September 2019, 11:51 PM   #10
MacCathain
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 66
Default

Here I have its cousin from the tin chirra branch of the family. The laminations are certainly visible in the right light, but I haven't brought it out through etching.

There are a few spots on the grip where there is a gray/white residue (you can see this in the close-up . . . next to the ring on the concave side of the grip).

Please educate me: What's the story behind liming the grip?
Attached Images
    
MacCathain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd September 2019, 10:13 PM   #11
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
Default

MacCaithan thanks so much for posting - you have now confirmed what kind of scabbard should I choose to make one for my kukri.

The "white" parts of your hilt appear to be silver plating over the steel. I figure that the lime packing is for visual effect, that it brings out the designs better (like that of some Moro scabbards).

Also I forgot to add the lengths: 15 inches over all (37.5 cm).

BTW - I LOVE your kukri example.
Battara is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd September 2019, 10:47 PM   #12
MacCathain
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 66
Default

Thanks, Battara. The silver bits in the design that contrast with the darkened steel areas constitute what I think could be classed as niello decoration, and they are, indeed, silver.

The residue that I mentioned is different; it looks a bit like old toothpaste in the small crevices (the deposits are not as easy to see in the image as I had hoped they would be). There are only a few places where these are visible, so they may not be residual decoration (perhaps they're just toothpaste).

The scabbard struck me as being unusually plain for this well-executed kukri. I would have expected something a bit more flash. Even the chape has been given the darkened steel treatment, though, so I believe it is the original scabbard. Here's a better view of what the face of it looks like.

This kukri measures 15.75" straight from the tip to the farthest end of the pommel cap. The grip is among the smallest in my small collection at only 4" on center.
Attached Images
 
MacCathain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2019, 02:09 AM   #13
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
Default

Yup that "toothpaste" is lime.

Also thank you for the scabbard picture.
Battara is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2019, 04:03 AM   #14
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
Default

Is this better?
Attached Images
   
Battara is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2019, 10:35 PM   #15
MacCathain
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 66
Default

Your photos are great. When I said "the deposits are not as easy to see in the image as I had hoped they would be," I was talking about the photo that I had posted.
MacCathain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2019, 11:29 PM   #16
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
Default

Oh my re-etch is not in response to you, MacCathain, but to the feedback from others.

Not sure if I should polish even more, or re-etch even lighter.
Battara is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 5th September 2019, 02:15 AM   #17
Rick
Vikingsword Staff
 
Rick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,290
Default

My 2 cents, polish more; and what is the brown color coming up when you etch?
Maybe try a different etchant to avoid the brown tones?


It is a very nice old warrior.
Rick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th September 2019, 04:40 AM   #18
mariusgmioc
Member
 
mariusgmioc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Austria
Posts: 1,903
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
My 2 cents, polish more; and what is the brown color coming up when you etch?
Maybe try a different etchant to avoid the brown tones?


It is a very nice old warrior.
Or maybe don't etch it at all. The pattern should still be visible.
mariusgmioc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th September 2019, 06:18 AM   #19
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
Default

Here is the final version. I just took 600 grit and gently took off the yellow and brown. The picture of the damascus is done at an angle.

Thank you for your advice and help folks.
Attached Images
  
Battara is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 6th September 2019, 08:21 AM   #20
RAMBA
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 98
Default

Looks good.
RAMBA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th September 2019, 08:58 AM   #21
David R
Member
 
David R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,079
Default

Properly speaking, I would say it's a laminated or watered steel blade rather than Damascus, a term normally reserved for Wootz or Pattern Welded blades. It is a very nice piece indeed, and I find the idea of "liming" the hilt to bring out the pattern very interesting.
Here is my chiselled steel hilt for comparison... There's not a lot of them about.
Attached Images
    
David R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th September 2019, 06:03 PM   #22
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
Default

Great piece for comparison Dave, thanks!

Yeah lime on kukris was new to me too, but steel doesn't produce that kind of oxidation, and it's not dirt either.
Battara is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.