Need opinions about this dagger

Edster · 1st September 2019, 06:01 PM

Stefan,

If the grip is ebony or African Black Wood I would offer that it is perhaps of Sudanese Rashaida Arab origin. The Rashaida came to Sudan in the early 19thC and now live including around Kassala. ABW is a common wood for knife handles there. The style is similar to Kassala arm daggers, but may also have an Arab twist. Also, the blade is better than most local products. Suggest Arab/Yemeni blade with Eastern Sudan made grip, mid-19th to early 20th C.

This could be really off-base, but intuition called.
Regards,
Ed

Sajen · 1st September 2019, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edster

If the grip is ebony or African Black Wood I would offer that it is perhaps of Sudanese Rashaida Arab origin.

To my eyes look the handle made from iron!?

Edster · 1st September 2019, 06:28 PM

It does sort of look like iron, nice patina.

ariel · 1st September 2019, 07:28 PM

Ottoman?
They liked all-iron.

Battara · 1st September 2019, 08:48 PM

Yes I agree that this is iron or more likely steel. Persian is my guess with the "I" form of hilt.

I also wonder if this is later Qajar period, and if so, might not be wootz after all. Might have originally had some silver koftgari one the hilt and/or blade, and might even be 20th century.

sfenoid13 · 3rd September 2019, 03:41 AM

It’s clearly Persian.

mariusgmioc · 3rd September 2019, 06:58 AM

While the general shape and the hilt appear to be Persian, typical Persian khanjars have the signature central rib, which this one does not.
However, blades of diamond cross-section like this one are very common with the Kurdish people. Ad let us not forget that large portions of the areas inhabited by Kurdish people were (some still are) part of Persia.
So, my oppinion is that it is a Persian inspired Kurdish khanjar.

Mercenary · 3rd September 2019, 06:29 PM

Rajasthani jambia. I met them there.
Kubur - !

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1st September 2019, 06:01 PM	#1
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 447	Stefan, If the grip is ebony or African Black Wood I would offer that it is perhaps of Sudanese Rashaida Arab origin. The Rashaida came to Sudan in the early 19thC and now live including around Kassala. ABW is a common wood for knife handles there. The style is similar to Kassala arm daggers, but may also have an Arab twist. Also, the blade is better than most local products. Suggest Arab/Yemeni blade with Eastern Sudan made grip, mid-19th to early 20th C. This could be really off-base, but intuition called. Regards, Ed

1st September 2019, 06:28 PM	#3
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 447	It does sort of look like iron, nice patina.

1st September 2019, 07:28 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Ottoman? They liked all-iron.

1st September 2019, 08:48 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,373	Yes I agree that this is iron or more likely steel. Persian is my guess with the "I" form of hilt. I also wonder if this is later Qajar period, and if so, might not be wootz after all. Might have originally had some silver koftgari one the hilt and/or blade, and might even be 20th century.

3rd September 2019, 06:58 AM	#7
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,915	While the general shape and the hilt appear to be Persian, typical Persian khanjars have the signature central rib, which this one does not. However, blades of diamond cross-section like this one are very common with the Kurdish people. Ad let us not forget that large portions of the areas inhabited by Kurdish people were (some still are) part of Persia. So, my oppinion is that it is a Persian inspired Kurdish khanjar.

3rd September 2019, 06:29 PM	#8
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 430	Rajasthani jambia. I met them there. Kubur - !