My second bugis. Options on this one please

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Patje1970

Hi Jean,

Can you explain why it not Bugis? I though it is a Bugis because of the urikan style

regards Pat

Hello Pat,
What do you mean by urikan, is it ukiran (hilt)? IMO this blade is not Bugis for the following reasons (among others):
. The dapur with the shallow and uneven waves and the slim shape is not Bugis but rather typical of West Java.
. The pamor pattern is not typically Bugis.
. The shape of the gonjo, pejetan, and greneng is not Bugis.
Please see a similar blade on pic 1.4.69 in my kris book if you have it.
Regards

[Jean]

My similar blade for reference, regards.

[A. G. Maisey]

I agree with everything Jean has written, and I would like to add a little.

For a pure Bugis blade the outstanding tell is that the blade cross section is hexagonal, the faces of the blade are wide and flat with a short, steep decline to the cutting edge.

It is probable that in the hand, both the blade under discussion and Jean's blade would be classified as Segaluh, which is a West Javanese classification.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

It is probable that in the hand, both the blade under discussion and Jean's blade would be classified as Segaluh, which is a West Javanese classification.

You are correct Alan, my blade was classified as in Segaluh style, a very old West Javanese kingdom ending around 12th/13th century AD but of course it does not mean that these blades are that old
Regards

[A. G. Maisey]

True Jean, and this mix of historic association, and geographic location is a source of ongoing misunderstanding and confusion.

Most keris blades are classified in accordance with geographic point of origin, but the name of a geographic point of origin can also refer to an era. Many people choose to understand the classification name as an historic era, rather than as a location.

[Patje1970]

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Pat,
What do you mean by urikan, is it ukiran (hilt)? IMO this blade is not Bugis for the following reasons (among others):
. The dapur with the shallow and uneven waves and the slim shape is not Bugis but rather typical of West Java.
. The pamor pattern is not typically Bugis.
. The shape of the gonjo, pejetan, and greneng is not Bugis.
Please see a similar blade on pic 1.4.69 in my kris book if you have it.
Regards

Hi Jean, I was meaning ukiran. thank you for all the info. I will look in Holland for your book. already found an other book from you at the museum in Leiden (THE KRIS A PASSION FROM INDONESIA (188 pages, 2008)

regards Pat