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Old 4th May 2019, 03:43 PM   #1
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Hi Fracantolin,
You were right because the Moroccan Koummya and the Mauritatian-style dagger do look like recent items made for the souk.
The Tuareg straight dagger however is of much better quality, although I doubt if it old.
As for the symbols. Amazigh (Berber) people are known to have many "pagan" beliefs as shown by the myriad of ritual objects like amulets and charms. Kabala is a Jewish mysterious set of beliefs based on the book of Zohar (Glow). There is some symbolism, but the essence is revealing encrypted messages in Biblical texts by using numerical values of letters and other deciphering methods. Jews did live with the Berber people for centuries, especially in the Atlas regions of Morocco and Algeria and they share some of these symbols, like the 5-pointed star, the eye (against the evil eye) and the hand (H'amsa), but these are pretty generic for African, Middle Eastern and some other regions and the same can be said about the lion and cross. Snake worship was common in Ancient Middle East, but even more so in more recent West Africa and the Sahel (Kingdom of Dahomey). That is what I know, but perhaps someone else can provide more specific information.


Very well observed and explained Motan. I very much agree with your assessments, and I had not thought of the Mauritanian context of the 'larger' sword which looks like a dagger.
On the symbols, good points on the star, and since it is of five points, the key number of the fibula, and its purpose toward the 'evil eye'.
The snake symbolism can be widely interpreted, and as you have noted, the snake worship which is based on ancestral dogma is widely practiced in West Africa. In the Sudan and in their symbolisms there are Persian connections from Qajar influences .
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Old 5th May 2019, 06:34 PM   #2
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Hello and thank you for all these specific and detailed informations,

Sorry for the misunderstanding about ''cabalistic'',
''Fake friend'' : in french it means esoteric, talismanic, occult and is not directly associated with the hebrew Kabala ( in etymology sure !!!)

Even if the snake representing the staff of Moses is close

Thank you Jim for share all these precious infos !!!!

I really admire the precision and fantasy of north african craftsmen in edged weapon,
they are not greedy with metals-silver:
the koummya per example weighs more than 2,6 pounds !!
( with this weight, sure more a decorative piece than for real use !! )

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Old 6th May 2019, 09:03 AM   #3
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The longer piece has a cut down European blade. It's a form I've seen several times. The exact same blade can be seen here: http://takouba.org/catalog/index.php...ers/takouba-05
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Old 6th May 2019, 06:25 PM   #4
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Hello,

Thank you Iain !

When I saw the blade, I first I thought about a Qama blade,
but it can be an old European blade,
it seems old and the ''quality'' has no comparison with the other bigger tuareg sword per example, sharp edge and quite flexible.
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