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16th January 2019, 12:59 PM
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Chinese Imperial Two Handed Dao
Dao - Mine - Fake - What makes it fake? What would someone think it was authentic?
A friend paid a huge price for "Imperial Two Handed Dao". He brought it to me. I quietly let him hold and view one of my authentic dao. (see the last picture with the green scabbard) He immediately realized his was fake. The online dealer refused return it. He left it with me because he was so disgusted. Where it is "wrong?" |
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16th January 2019, 02:05 PM
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A big question mark is the blade.
Low carbon (almost iron) pattern welded that can hardly be even sharpened, not to mention holding an edge?! Sharkskin/whatever grip so that it can easily slip and rotate in the hand!? Moreover, no signs of wear on the grip that is perfectly matching the scabbard!?  My two cents. PS: Why don't you show us the blade of yours? Last edited by mariusgmioc; 16th January 2019 at 02:20 PM. |
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16th January 2019, 02:42 PM
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Shagreen is excellent as grip for a hilt, to maintain the sword, not to slip! Many dao have shagreen (mine has) Shagreen (ray or shark) was used all over the world, including Europe. |
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16th January 2019, 06:08 PM
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I would ask which online market he bought from? They tend to protect the buyer, even at the expense of the vendor.
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16th January 2019, 06:30 PM
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Polished rayskin is OK for scabbards, it's fairly slick for a grip, the bumpy unpolished is better. Do older ones have large Chinese characters? None of mine does, but I only have a few. The blade just doesn't seem right somehow.
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16th January 2019, 07:54 PM
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All European and Japanese swords I have with rayskin hilts are unpolished. I have seen polished rayskin grips on some Chinese swords but I have serious doubts about them. Genuine antique Chinese fighting swords had generally wrapped textile grips. |
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16th January 2019, 08:11 PM
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16th January 2019, 08:12 PM
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look at this one I have some serious doubts |
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16th January 2019, 08:13 PM
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Look at this one, this is a model well known and prsent in many museums... around 1900. Last edited by Kubur; 16th January 2019 at 08:38 PM. |
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16th January 2019, 08:34 PM
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16th January 2019, 08:43 PM
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16th January 2019, 09:40 PM
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My mid 19c Imperial era Dao: Probably from a Warlord's troops.
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