very long barrel percussion pistol

fernando · 5th December 2018, 01:31 PM

Obviously not a cane sword. The suggestion was not a weapon to be concealed inside a cane but, naked as it is, concealed under the overcoat. You walk down to the (city) park, pull it off and shoot a piece of game !

Kmaddock · 5th December 2018, 05:36 PM

Hi All
Thanks for your interest
here is a few i came across on the web
looks sort of similar
basically looks like a long barrel pistol and you have some sort of screw off plug at the top of the barrel for when using as a walking stick (a not very discrete item at all)
cant imagine it would be v accurate more of a curiosity I suppose but that is why i purchased it so i cant be too critical!!
regards

ken

fernando · 5th December 2018, 06:16 PM

Those two are not the same thing ... right ?
The lower one would be a cane gun; but the upper one is like yours and i don't think is the same kind of implement.
I will stand corrected though

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Fernando K · 5th December 2018, 07:06 PM

Hello

Only for a comment. It would be necessary to see if the barrel is original, or if it has been added later, to create a "curious" weapon (and be able to sell it like this)

Affectionately

Kmaddock · 5th December 2018, 07:24 PM

Hi Fernando
No not the same thing in second image, first though looks to be a reasonable match though.
The second picture of the two shows the plug at the bottom of the barrel so that the barrel does not presumably get plugged with mud when you are using the gun as a a cane.
Sort of same family
I am wondering will there be threads at the bottom of the barrel on mine to screw in a plug?
we will see on Christmas morning? I enjoy the guessing at the moment though
Thanks again for observations
Ken

DaleH · 6th December 2018, 12:40 AM

Wonder if there is a hole at the base of the stock. See attached. If not a cane gun, it could be an early (percussion) ‘bicycle’ pistol.

http://www.horstheld.com/0-Day.html

DaleH · 6th December 2018, 12:48 AM

Check to see if there is a hole at the back of the grip. If not a cane gun, it could be an early percussion ‘bicycle’ pistol.

See more here: http://www.oldbike.eu/museum/guns/ and here, for one w/ removable buttstock: http://www.horstheld.com/0-Day.html

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kahnjar1 · 6th December 2018, 07:21 AM

Hi Ken,
When you receive it, check to see if there is a fixing point for a shoulder stock. I suspect that if there is one, it will be what is loosely called a Poachers Gun. Not likely to be a cane or walking stick gun as they are usually "full length" with a barrel bung of some sort.
Interesting piece by the way.............

Stu

fernando · 6th December 2018, 11:39 AM

I remember now the name given by the French to poachers: Braconnier; and the name of famous French novelist that became one.
Here THE ACCOUNT of his Braconnier adventures; and the advert. on one of the models i used to have.

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Kmaddock · 1st January 2019, 04:31 PM

Well here is the gun and I have it all back in working order.

All that was wrong was the mainspring retaining screw which powered both the hammer and the trigger, was broken so I had to make and replace the screw as well as removing a lot of rust and crud build up

Took some effort to get into the mechanism but I got there in the end.
I had to drill out the hammer pin to get the hammer out as the screw head was mushed and this had to be then re manufactured but not much of a job really as I have a lathe.

I got the barrel unscrewed with a bit of persuasion using oxo acetylene torch and some cycles of hot and cold. Final quench was with diesel. which when you heat the treads up to around 200 Celsius and then syringe diesel onto the threads the diesel gets pulled into the treads and hence lubricate which greatly eases the two parts apart ( I checked thoroughly to ensure unloaded before this heating job)

So
19 inch barrel with tapered screw threads
No markings at all on gun except for 19 on the barrel, so this might be barrel length which would indicate non continental manufacture

The aging platina etc demonstrate to me that the parts were together for a v v long time

No proof mark I can make out and I do not think there was ever any makers marks

There is no mounting at all for a stock and in my opinion there never was one

Very unwieldy and impossible to aim accurately, small bead front sight
Approx 10 mm caliber

Nice smooth mechanism which cocks, locks and fires perfect

Any more opinions welcome
I am putting it down as a 1840. - 1860 takedown pistol for opertunistic poaching or hunting but with no stock it would probably have to be loaded with shot to have any chance of hitting game

Comments welcome

Happy 2019 to all

Ken

5th December 2018, 05:36 PM	#2
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 545	Hi All Thanks for your interest here is a few i came across on the web looks sort of similar basically looks like a long barrel pistol and you have some sort of screw off plug at the top of the barrel for when using as a walking stick (a not very discrete item at all) cant imagine it would be v accurate more of a curiosity I suppose but that is why i purchased it so i cant be too critical!! regards ken Attached Images

6th December 2018, 12:48 AM	#7
DaleH Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: near Boston - USA Posts: 13	Check to see if there is a hole at the back of the grip. If not a cane gun, it could be an early percussion ‘bicycle’ pistol. See more here: http://www.oldbike.eu/museum/guns/ and here, for one w/ removable buttstock: http://www.horstheld.com/0-Day.html . Last edited by fernando; 6th December 2018 at 08:38 AM. Reason: No links to active sales sites allowed

6th December 2018, 11:39 AM	#9
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I remember now the name given by the French to poachers: Braconnier; and the name of famous French novelist that became one. Here THE ACCOUNT of his Braconnier adventures; and the advert. on one of the models i used to have. . Attached Images

1st January 2019, 04:31 PM	#10
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 545	Well here is the gun and I have it all back in working order. All that was wrong was the mainspring retaining screw which powered both the hammer and the trigger, was broken so I had to make and replace the screw as well as removing a lot of rust and crud build up Took some effort to get into the mechanism but I got there in the end. I had to drill out the hammer pin to get the hammer out as the screw head was mushed and this had to be then re manufactured but not much of a job really as I have a lathe. I got the barrel unscrewed with a bit of persuasion using oxo acetylene torch and some cycles of hot and cold. Final quench was with diesel. which when you heat the treads up to around 200 Celsius and then syringe diesel onto the threads the diesel gets pulled into the treads and hence lubricate which greatly eases the two parts apart ( I checked thoroughly to ensure unloaded before this heating job) So 19 inch barrel with tapered screw threads No markings at all on gun except for 19 on the barrel, so this might be barrel length which would indicate non continental manufacture The aging platina etc demonstrate to me that the parts were together for a v v long time No proof mark I can make out and I do not think there was ever any makers marks There is no mounting at all for a stock and in my opinion there never was one Very unwieldy and impossible to aim accurately, small bead front sight Approx 10 mm caliber Nice smooth mechanism which cocks, locks and fires perfect Any more opinions welcome I am putting it down as a 1840. - 1860 takedown pistol for opertunistic poaching or hunting but with no stock it would probably have to be loaded with shot to have any chance of hitting game Comments welcome Happy 2019 to all Ken Attached Images

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5th December 2018, 01:31 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Obviously not a cane sword. The suggestion was not a weapon to be concealed inside a cane but, naked as it is, concealed under the overcoat. You walk down to the (city) park, pull it off and shoot a piece of game !

5th December 2018, 06:16 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Those two are not the same thing ... right ? The lower one would be a cane gun; but the upper one is like yours and i don't think is the same kind of implement. I will stand corrected though .

5th December 2018, 07:06 PM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hello Only for a comment. It would be necessary to see if the barrel is original, or if it has been added later, to create a "curious" weapon (and be able to sell it like this) Affectionately

5th December 2018, 07:24 PM	#5
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 545	Hi Fernando No not the same thing in second image, first though looks to be a reasonable match though. The second picture of the two shows the plug at the bottom of the barrel so that the barrel does not presumably get plugged with mud when you are using the gun as a a cane. Sort of same family I am wondering will there be threads at the bottom of the barrel on mine to screw in a plug? we will see on Christmas morning? I enjoy the guessing at the moment though Thanks again for observations Ken

6th December 2018, 12:40 AM	#6
DaleH Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: near Boston - USA Posts: 13	Wonder if there is a hole at the base of the stock. See attached. If not a cane gun, it could be an early (percussion) ‘bicycle’ pistol. http://www.horstheld.com/0-Day.html

6th December 2018, 07:21 AM	#8
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,810	Hi Ken, When you receive it, check to see if there is a fixing point for a shoulder stock. I suspect that if there is one, it will be what is loosely called a Poachers Gun. Not likely to be a cane or walking stick gun as they are usually "full length" with a barrel bung of some sort. Interesting piece by the way............. Stu