Unusual nimcha blade: need help

Jens Nordlunde · 24th April 2018, 01:08 PM

In Robert Elgood's Jodhpur booke, vol. I, pp. 218-219, he shows an almost straight Indian blade (kirich/kirach) with four fullers.
Maybe your blade is Indian.

ariel · 26th April 2018, 04:35 AM

Yes.
And p.200: even with a false edge.
But how on Earth did it get to North Africa?

Jens Nordlunde · 26th April 2018, 10:36 AM

I dont know, but I see one possibility. When the caravans from north Africa aand Arabia were returning from India, they needed to bring back items for trade, so maybe the blade was part of such items.

Kubur · 3rd May 2018, 09:26 AM

Ariel, a small treat for you, another sword from North Africa with an Indian blade

ariel · 3rd May 2018, 02:05 PM

I hear you, guys.
But then p.198 in Elgood vol.1: virtually identical one unhesitantly attributed to Europe.

Can we reliably distinguish genuine European multifullered trade blades from their Indian copies?
Other than in cases of obvious European inscriptions?

Jens Nordlunde · 3rd May 2018, 04:48 PM

Must certainly not from pictures, and even if you have the blade in the hand, I doubt that you can be certain, as some of the Indian smiths were very good when it came to copying blades.

Kubur · 3rd May 2018, 06:34 PM

Well, let me add that the sword that I posted has a Caucasian blade with an inscription of Tippu Sultan from Mysore.
What a complicated story...

fernando · 5th May 2018, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

... another sword from North Africa with an Indian blade

North African style yes but, the blade travelling from the Caucasus to Mysore; where would have the hilt been made ? Has this sword ever seen Africa ?

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ariel · 5th May 2018, 01:37 PM

My hat is off to the owner of the French auction house: he managed to weave a tale fancy enough to suck out €5000 ( plus, I gather, no less than 20% commission) out of some gullible schmuck.

Did he also have for sale Brooklyn Bridge with a graffiti “ Tipy ( sic!) Sultan lives matter”?

Kubur · 5th May 2018, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

My hat is off to the owner of the French auction house: he managed to weave a tale fancy enough to suck out €5000 ( plus, I gather, no less than 20% commission) out of some gullible schmuck.

Did he also have for sale Brooklyn Bridge with a graffiti “ Tipy ( sic!) Sultan lives matter”?

Well it doesn't look like a fake at all... and why???

Plus the funny thing is that your sword is just supporting the provenance of the sword that I posted...

But if I follow your opinion then we come back to my first post, your sword might be a fake with a nimcha hilt and an Indian blade, both are easy to find for collectors...

I think you have to chose between: all fakes or both examples supporting each other...

ariel · 5th May 2018, 02:19 PM

I started to add some unprintable vocabulary, but caught myself in time:-)

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24th April 2018, 01:08 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	In Robert Elgood's Jodhpur booke, vol. I, pp. 218-219, he shows an almost straight Indian blade (kirich/kirach) with four fullers. Maybe your blade is Indian.

26th April 2018, 04:35 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Yes. And p.200: even with a false edge. But how on Earth did it get to North Africa?

26th April 2018, 10:36 AM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I dont know, but I see one possibility. When the caravans from north Africa aand Arabia were returning from India, they needed to bring back items for trade, so maybe the blade was part of such items.

3rd May 2018, 02:05 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I hear you, guys. But then p.198 in Elgood vol.1: virtually identical one unhesitantly attributed to Europe. Can we reliably distinguish genuine European multifullered trade blades from their Indian copies? Other than in cases of obvious European inscriptions?

3rd May 2018, 04:48 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Must certainly not from pictures, and even if you have the blade in the hand, I doubt that you can be certain, as some of the Indian smiths were very good when it came to copying blades.

3rd May 2018, 06:34 PM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Well, let me add that the sword that I posted has a Caucasian blade with an inscription of Tippu Sultan from Mysore. What a complicated story...

5th May 2018, 01:37 PM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	My hat is off to the owner of the French auction house: he managed to weave a tale fancy enough to suck out €5000 ( plus, I gather, no less than 20% commission) out of some gullible schmuck. Did he also have for sale Brooklyn Bridge with a graffiti “ Tipy ( sic!) Sultan lives matter”?

5th May 2018, 02:19 PM	#11
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I started to add some unprintable vocabulary, but caught myself in time:-)