Ottoman/ turkish hallmarks

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 30th June 2017, 11:04 AM

Ottoman (Othmanli) I think close to this form ..

estcrh · 30th June 2017, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Ottoman (Othmanli) I think close to this form ..

And just who decided this was Ottoman and not Persian...the MET!!! Ha, they have been wrong so many times, what elements say Ottoman? Do any point to Persia??

francantolin · 30th June 2017, 03:32 PM

Hello, museum and auctions specialists sometimes go wrong. This one I think its ottoman,
if you look the thread named "turkish straight sword with european blade", a lot of interesting comments came out about hilt shape origin ( and straight blades too ).
I made this new one for comments about the hallmarks/tughras when I received the sword and. "Zoom" the pictures...

ArmsAndAntiques · 30th June 2017, 05:11 PM

The sword shown from the Met has multiple early Ottoman features including the bow-tie shaped scabbard fitting, the fine detailed niello scrollwork, and the detailed floral shape where the crossguard inserts into the top fitting.

While I've seen that last feature on Persian shamshirs, the feature is itself more indicative of Ottoman influence on Persian arms than vice versa.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 8th July 2017, 03:34 AM

For a full description on all aspects of the seal or Tughra please see http://islamic-arts.org/2012/tughra-...e-magnificent/

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 8th July 2017, 05:44 AM

TUGHRA OCCUR ON MANY OBJECTS NOT ONLY DOCUMENTS...SEE

https://www.google.com/search?q=OTTO...yFHJokVc_CX4M:

and below on a silver sprinkler, a spoon, a coin and some sword blades.
Also illustrated are some of the Tughra on a page showing which Sultan they belonged to.

francantolin · 9th July 2017, 09:08 PM

Thank you Ibrahiim !
I kwew the two last tughras,
I can't recognize mine,
Maybe they "only" are marks from a region or a iron/silver worker.

30th June 2017, 11:04 AM	#1
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Ottoman (Othmanli) I think close to this form .. Attached Images

8th July 2017, 03:34 AM	#5
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	For a full description on all aspects of the seal or Tughra please see http://islamic-arts.org/2012/tughra-...e-magnificent/ Attached Images

8th July 2017, 05:44 AM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	TUGHRA OCCUR ON MANY OBJECTS NOT ONLY DOCUMENTS...SEE https://www.google.com/search?q=OTTO...yFHJokVc_CX4M: and below on a silver sprinkler, a spoon, a coin and some sword blades. Also illustrated are some of the Tughra on a page showing which Sultan they belonged to. Attached Images

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30th June 2017, 03:32 PM	#3
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, museum and auctions specialists sometimes go wrong. This one I think its ottoman, if you look the thread named "turkish straight sword with european blade", a lot of interesting comments came out about hilt shape origin ( and straight blades too ). I made this new one for comments about the hallmarks/tughras when I received the sword and. "Zoom" the pictures...

30th June 2017, 05:11 PM	#4
ArmsAndAntiques Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 80	The sword shown from the Met has multiple early Ottoman features including the bow-tie shaped scabbard fitting, the fine detailed niello scrollwork, and the detailed floral shape where the crossguard inserts into the top fitting. While I've seen that last feature on Persian shamshirs, the feature is itself more indicative of Ottoman influence on Persian arms than vice versa.

9th July 2017, 09:08 PM	#7
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Thank you Ibrahiim ! I kwew the two last tughras, I can't recognize mine, Maybe they "only" are marks from a region or a iron/silver worker.