The flowers on the tulwar hilts

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 29th January 2017, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Ibrahim,
Here you can find it https://lacma.academia.edu/StephenMarkel

Thank you but that is the web page I have been drumming on for weeks trying to break into it so I can place its details on Library...even though it is 11 pages. ..I cannot download it ..though I have it cornered and try all the time to access I just cannot crack it... Anyone who can get into it please simply copy to Library...on this thread.

Jens Nordlunde · 29th January 2017, 01:02 PM

Ibrahiim,
Have you read the rules for downloading files from their homepage?

Jim McDougall · 29th January 2017, 07:24 PM

Jens, can you link this article?
I know Ibrahiim has had some computer issues, and my scanner is on the blink.
Thanks a lot,
Jim

Jens Nordlunde · 29th January 2017, 09:18 PM

Jim,
Yes I could, but I wont. I have given the link, so that each member can have a look at the article, and that must be enough.
Did you read the rules about copyrights?
Copyright is a world wide thing - but in a way it is also a gentleman agreement, and that is why I will no download it.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 29th January 2017, 10:17 PM

So that we may proceed and since I made the mistake of asking for a copy of the entire document I will rephrase that asking if I can somehow have a precis of the work sent PM to me from which I will extract the relevant pieces and add to Library..I emphasis that the details are for research purposes and education and I have read the relevant rules appertaining to such work..

Jim McDougall · 30th January 2017, 01:46 AM

Sorry guys, I clearly had forgotten the copyright thing, and had been so complacent in the fair use practices that I overlooked that an entire article could not be downloaded per se'. Thank you for being diligent in observing these details which I should be well aware of. Well done.

We will have to simply extract pertinent details in accord with requirements and limit quotes to fair use standards .

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 1st February 2017, 08:52 AM

Here is an interesting painting depicting Dara Shikoh with Mystics;from The Agha Khan Museum.

Please see https://www.agakhanmuseum.org/collec...prince-mystics

It is worth considering that this relationship would eventually cause his death sentence carried out by Aurangzeb. It is fascinating that Dara had fused the two religions of Islam and Hinduism into one form. Hindu decorative style would be influenced by floral art for centuries and become apparent in architecture, weaponry and virtually all forms of artistic work in the entire universal Hindu pallet of arts...In fact this was not always the case..Jahangir’s passion for natural history was not inherited by his son Shah Jahan and grandson Dara Shikoh. It was during the 1630s that flowers and floral arrangements with their decorative possibilities came to dominate Mughal textiles and the adornment of architecture and album pages. See http://blogs.bl.uk/asian-and-african/mughal-india/

Is there a secretive subtext in the apparent use of Floral motifs in Mughal weaponry? What would have been the outcome had he survived and inherited the Mughal Dynasty?

1st February 2017, 08:52 AM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Here is an interesting painting depicting Dara Shikoh with Mystics;from The Agha Khan Museum. Please see https://www.agakhanmuseum.org/collec...prince-mystics It is worth considering that this relationship would eventually cause his death sentence carried out by Aurangzeb. It is fascinating that Dara had fused the two religions of Islam and Hinduism into one form. Hindu decorative style would be influenced by floral art for centuries and become apparent in architecture, weaponry and virtually all forms of artistic work in the entire universal Hindu pallet of arts...In fact this was not always the case..Jahangir’s passion for natural history was not inherited by his son Shah Jahan and grandson Dara Shikoh. It was during the 1630s that flowers and floral arrangements with their decorative possibilities came to dominate Mughal textiles and the adornment of architecture and album pages. See http://blogs.bl.uk/asian-and-african/mughal-india/ Is there a secretive subtext in the apparent use of Floral motifs in Mughal weaponry? What would have been the outcome had he survived and inherited the Mughal Dynasty? Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 1st February 2017 at 10:12 AM.

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29th January 2017, 01:02 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ibrahiim, Have you read the rules for downloading files from their homepage?

29th January 2017, 07:24 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,469	Jens, can you link this article? I know Ibrahiim has had some computer issues, and my scanner is on the blink. Thanks a lot, Jim

29th January 2017, 09:18 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Jim, Yes I could, but I wont. I have given the link, so that each member can have a look at the article, and that must be enough. Did you read the rules about copyrights? Copyright is a world wide thing - but in a way it is also a gentleman agreement, and that is why I will no download it.

29th January 2017, 10:17 PM	#5
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	So that we may proceed and since I made the mistake of asking for a copy of the entire document I will rephrase that asking if I can somehow have a precis of the work sent PM to me from which I will extract the relevant pieces and add to Library..I emphasis that the details are for research purposes and education and I have read the relevant rules appertaining to such work..

30th January 2017, 01:46 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,469	Sorry guys, I clearly had forgotten the copyright thing, and had been so complacent in the fair use practices that I overlooked that an entire article could not be downloaded per se'. Thank you for being diligent in observing these details which I should be well aware of. Well done. We will have to simply extract pertinent details in accord with requirements and limit quotes to fair use standards .