Balinese Keris for comments

mariusgmioc · 21st January 2017, 06:09 PM

Thank you for your comments!

The hilt is definitely old ivory an judging by the patination and cracks, I would say around 100 years old.

Any comments about the Pamor?

Marcokeris · 21st January 2017, 09:20 PM

very nice pics !!!

David · 22nd January 2017, 08:57 AM

Well, while this keris has been photographed in a beautiful manner these images don't actual make for a very good assessment. But then photographs often don't.
This is a lovely artistic piece. I i'm not convinced we are looking at antique ivory though i could not say if it dates pre-1947 or not.
The blade raises some questions for me. The greneng and ron dha look rather odd for an old Bali keris. The work at the gandik could have been added later to this keris. Hard to tell without a good close-up. The groves cut into the front of the gonjo look rather sloppy compared to the garap of the rest of this blade.
The sunggingan is very nicely done, but seems in unusual condition if it were to be very old, though it is always possible that it is just very well preserved.
A very attractive keris regardless.

mariusgmioc · 22nd January 2017, 11:48 AM

Thank you very much for the comments!

Today I unmounted the Keris and started cleaning and examining it. I also took additional, hopefully more revealing photos (the previous ones were from the seller).

The blade appears quite new and shiny and I would appreciate any comments regarding the Pamor or the fierce looking figure.

mariusgmioc · 22nd January 2017, 11:56 AM

The ivory hilt appears to be older than the blade and on the left side bears traces that it was exposed to open flame (perhaps a former owner wanted to test if it is ivory).

The figure, appears to be Buddha or a Buddhist priest... in my novice's oppinion (the rather typical mudra position of the right hand, the protruding belly, the extended - with earrings - ear lobes, and the smiling face, are in my oppinion all pointing to Buddhism).

Any oppinions regarding my theory are welcomed!

mariusgmioc · 22nd January 2017, 12:00 PM

The base of the hilt appears to be a low content gold alloy (Souasa ?) but I am by no means very knowledgeable and it can be very well be some kind of brass.

The inside is partly filled with some kind of resin.

I cannot identify one of the stones, but all the others appear to be Agates.

COYOTE · 22nd January 2017, 05:39 PM

Stones with colour stripes are agate without any question, such as the ones on the penultimate picture (5th image).
The other stones, without stripes, might be agate as well or quartz.
Unfortunately, no real "precious" stones such as ruby, just decorative stones.

22nd January 2017, 11:48 AM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Thank you very much for the comments! Today I unmounted the Keris and started cleaning and examining it. I also took additional, hopefully more revealing photos (the previous ones were from the seller). The blade appears quite new and shiny and I would appreciate any comments regarding the Pamor or the fierce looking figure. Attached Images

22nd January 2017, 11:56 AM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	The ivory hilt appears to be older than the blade and on the left side bears traces that it was exposed to open flame (perhaps a former owner wanted to test if it is ivory). The figure, appears to be Buddha or a Buddhist priest... in my novice's oppinion (the rather typical mudra position of the right hand, the protruding belly, the extended - with earrings - ear lobes, and the smiling face, are in my oppinion all pointing to Buddhism). Any oppinions regarding my theory are welcomed! Attached Images Last edited by mariusgmioc; 22nd January 2017 at 05:25 PM.

22nd January 2017, 12:00 PM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	The base of the hilt appears to be a low content gold alloy (Souasa ?) but I am by no means very knowledgeable and it can be very well be some kind of brass. The inside is partly filled with some kind of resin. I cannot identify one of the stones, but all the others appear to be Agates. Attached Images

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21st January 2017, 06:09 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Thank you for your comments! The hilt is definitely old ivory an judging by the patination and cracks, I would say around 100 years old. Any comments about the Pamor?

21st January 2017, 09:20 PM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	very nice pics !!!

22nd January 2017, 08:57 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Well, while this keris has been photographed in a beautiful manner these images don't actual make for a very good assessment. But then photographs often don't. This is a lovely artistic piece. I i'm not convinced we are looking at antique ivory though i could not say if it dates pre-1947 or not. The blade raises some questions for me. The greneng and ron dha look rather odd for an old Bali keris. The work at the gandik could have been added later to this keris. Hard to tell without a good close-up. The groves cut into the front of the gonjo look rather sloppy compared to the garap of the rest of this blade. The sunggingan is very nicely done, but seems in unusual condition if it were to be very old, though it is always possible that it is just very well preserved. A very attractive keris regardless.

22nd January 2017, 05:39 PM	#7
COYOTE Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil Posts: 27	Stones with colour stripes are agate without any question, such as the ones on the penultimate picture (5th image). The other stones, without stripes, might be agate as well or quartz. Unfortunately, no real "precious" stones such as ruby, just decorative stones.