Origine of Bugi Keris?

Athanase · 21st December 2016, 04:06 PM

Hello,

I can't find the origin of this bugi keris.
The handle is very beautiful but I haven't seen any similar on keris bugis. (But I still know very very little about bugi weapons

).
I know that these people are settled on several Indonesian islands and that there are small differences in the sheaths and handles according to the geographical zones.

(The photos were taken just after the reception of the Keris, since the blade was cleaned.)

David · 22nd December 2016, 02:18 PM

Bugis weapons often confuse me on origin, but it suggests some part of Sumatra to me. Perhaps others can pinpoint better.

Rafngard · 22nd December 2016, 03:14 PM

This does a look a bit like a Sumatran Jawa demam hilt.

Thanks,
Leif

kai · 22nd December 2016, 05:02 PM

Quote:

This does a look a bit like a Sumatran Jawa demam hilt.

With anatomical problems, it seems...

This hilt is certainly interesting (seems to have decent age - albeit a bit coarsely carved details).

If pressed hard, I might tend towards one of the smaller sultanates along the Sumatran East coast (Siak, etc.).

The scabbard (with possibly replaced buntut) and the pretty generic sepokal blade don't help placing it for me...

Regards,
Kai

Jean · 22nd December 2016, 08:14 PM

I agree with the opinions from the other members, the blade looks original to the kris and the Jawa Deman hilt is a rare specimen.
Regards

David · 22nd December 2016, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

I agree with the opinions from the other members, the blade looks original to the kris and the Jawa Deman hilt is a rare specimen.
Regards

Should i presume you meant to say that the blade looks original to the sheath? I would image that the blade would have to be original to the keris.

Sajen · 22nd December 2016, 08:46 PM

I don't will rule out the Sumatran East coast origin but I have seen some similar handles in this Jawa Deman style which were attributed to Sumbawa. And when I get pressed I would agree with this for the complete keris.

Regards,
Detlef

COYOTE · 26th December 2016, 06:34 AM

Yes indeed, this Jawa Deman hilt is quite unusual with these geometrical panels.

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22nd December 2016, 02:18 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,199	Bugis weapons often confuse me on origin, but it suggests some part of Sumatra to me. Perhaps others can pinpoint better.

22nd December 2016, 03:14 PM	#3
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 345	This does a look a bit like a Sumatran Jawa demam hilt. Thanks, Leif

22nd December 2016, 08:14 PM	#5
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	I agree with the opinions from the other members, the blade looks original to the kris and the Jawa Deman hilt is a rare specimen. Regards

22nd December 2016, 08:46 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,125	I don't will rule out the Sumatran East coast origin but I have seen some similar handles in this Jawa Deman style which were attributed to Sumbawa. And when I get pressed I would agree with this for the complete keris. Regards, Detlef

26th December 2016, 06:34 AM	#8
COYOTE Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil Posts: 27	Yes indeed, this Jawa Deman hilt is quite unusual with these geometrical panels.