Unknown Islamic Wootz? Sword

[ALEX]

I also agree the blade is laminated, not wootz. It is European blade, the acid etching could be historicism period to add Oriental(ism) flavor to it. I also agree with Kai, the fittings strike me as very new. Those who make them now almost always bang them with various objects to add appearance of age and use, but the work, shape and form are very recent.

[Kubur]

I think that they are all right.
I will bring the last nails. I found two swords quite similar quoted as
Polish Turkish Sword with European blade
and the other
Turkish Tatar sword with broad blade
The both have old Indian blades but the mounts and hilts are recent to me.
Could it be the same with an old Hungarian blade?

[ALEX]

Originally Posted by Kubur

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Could it be the same with an old Hungarian blade?

Most certainly!

[Norman McCormick]

Hi Guys,
Thanks to all for your comments. It would appear to be an older blade in newer non historical clothes. Do you think it would be a worthwhile or indeed an interesting exercise to dismount the blade and remount in historical suitable fittings and if so what would you suggest? Thanks again for all the ideas and comments.
My Regards,
Norman.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Guys,
Thanks to all for your comments. It would appear to be an older blade in newer non historical clothes. Do you think it would be a worthwhile or indeed an interesting exercise to dismount the blade and remount in historical suitable fittings and if so what would you suggest? Thanks again for all the ideas and comments.
My Regards,
Norman.

Hello Norman,

1. How did you conclude it is an older blade? Or better said: define "older."
2. Where do you expect to find perfectly matching "historical" fittings?
3. What do you expect to achive by having the blade remounted?

Regards,

Marius

[Norman McCormick]

Hi Marius,

1) On the advice and opinions of other members, please see post no 11, and having handled a fair number of blades I am reasonably sure that the blade is a bit older than the rest but by how much I don't know.

2) I don't, I was going to manufacture, as an interesting exercise, the parts myself. As the sword is already an amalgam of 'bits' I see no harm in doing this as any integrity is already lost.

3) Satisfaction, not often I have a blade I can play about with. I would of course inscribe the date e.g. 18th June 2017 into a part of the new fittings e.g. the scabbard locket and somewhere on the guard so that it could never be taken as a period piece, this is of course assuming my manufacturing skills are of a sufficient level to be taken for the real thing.


I hope this has answered your questions satisfactorily but if you have any counter ideas I am open to all suggestions. Many thanks for your interest.
My Regards,
Norman.

[mariusgmioc]

Thank you Norman for the reply!

I was purely curious, and that's why I asked.

I wish you success with refitting the blade (if you decide to do it)... but if it were mine, I would keep it as it is (for the reason that I can't possibly make any fittings myself and it will be a time consuming work)!

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

1. How did you conclude it is an older blade? Or better said: define "older."
2. Where do you expect to find perfectly matching "historical" fittings?
3. What do you expect to achive by having the blade remounted?

Hi Marius,

for 1., when I see the pictures Norman has provided I would say that we see an antique blade, the patination and the lamination scructure I see that the blade is minimum end of 19th until very early 20th century. I know not enough to say from where this blade coming so this would be the first step to do research. For 2., when you find fitting mounts with a rotted blade maybe.
3. Norman has exactly what he has now, an old blade in not original mount, but now with all parts antique. And when Norman enjoy this exercise he will have learned a lot.
BTW, by how many of your blades you can be sure that all parts born together?

Regards,
Detlef