mace for id please

weapons 27 · 16th May 2016, 11:37 AM

could you give me information on this mace. sorry the photos are not very good, they are snuff with my phone ...

weapons 27 · 16th May 2016, 11:40 AM

there is a write to the blade
is evcaloni ?
evcaloniom ?
evcalonio ?

GIO · 16th May 2016, 04:15 PM

First World War ??

Roland_M · 17th May 2016, 12:49 PM

This is not a mace, it is a spiked club, a so called morning star, an early version. I can not see, whether authentic or 19th ct. historicism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_star_(weapon)

Roland

kronckew · 17th May 2016, 12:56 PM

also sometimes known as 'holy water sprinklers'. some even had a crude gun barrel under the removeable top spike.

fernando · 17th May 2016, 01:01 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ater+sprinkler

fernando · 17th May 2016, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roland_M

This is not a mace, it is a spiked club, a so called morning star, an early version. I can not see, whether authentic or 19th ct. historicism ...

Looks crude enough to be old

.
Better pictures would give a vital clue ...

Roland_M · 17th May 2016, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Looks crude enough to be old

.
Better pictures would give a vital clue ...

Yeah, I also think this example could be from medieval or early renaissance.

Regards,
Roland

weapons 27 · 17th May 2016, 05:00 PM

I recovers this spiked club and I made some pictures

stekemest · 17th May 2016, 08:36 PM

Most of these are from 16th to 18th century. Müller/Kölling (Europäische Hieb- und Stichwaffen) show some from the Berlin collection.

Marcus den toom · 18th May 2016, 07:27 AM

Hi,

Judging by the pictures i would be suprised if this where a few decades old. The wood has no sign of age, patina, cracks, real handlingmarks or even markings of old tools (to make the mace)..
The iron is non consistent in its patina/corossion and the spikes look like they where aged and afterwards hammered into the fresh wood (hence all the curled spiked points).
The blade on top might be the only old thing about it.. :/
Still a nice decorative piece in my eyes, it would surely make a display with some armour

weapons 27 · 20th May 2016, 10:19 AM

here are good pictures
it 2m04m measurement along with the blade.
without the blade 1m70. and 7.5cm wide without peaks

weapons 27 · 20th May 2016, 10:21 AM

more photos

Helleri · 17th July 2016, 02:37 PM

I've seen things that look like this called spiked cudgels (Mentioning it because the word Cudgel instead of club might turn a few more search results for you). Also someone said WWI? I thought trench clubs were very short?

VANDOO · 23rd July 2016, 07:15 AM

THIS TYPE OF POLE ARM IS ONE I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN AS A HOLY WATER SPRINKLER. THE ONE I CALL A MORNING STAR IS A TYPE OF MACE WITH A SPIKED BALL OR BALLS ON A SHORT HANDLE WITH CHAIN ATTACHING THE TWO. I THINK BOTH SAW USE DURING THE MIDDLE AGES. MOST I HAVE SEEN WERE ATTRIBUTED TO SPAIN BUT THEY WERE LIKELY PRESENT IN SEVERAL OTHER COUNTRY'S AS WELL. I AM CERTAINLY NO EXPERT IN THIS FIELD BUT THAT IS WHAT LITTLE I KNOW RIGHT OR WRONG.

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16th May 2016, 11:40 AM	#2
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	there is a write to the blade is evcaloni ? evcaloniom ? evcalonio ?

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GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	First World War ??

17th May 2016, 12:49 PM	#4
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	This is not a mace, it is a spiked club, a so called morning star, an early version. I can not see, whether authentic or 19th ct. historicism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_star_(weapon) Roland

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,184	also sometimes known as 'holy water sprinklers'. some even had a crude gun barrel under the removeable top spike.

17th May 2016, 01:01 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ater+sprinkler

17th May 2016, 05:00 PM	#9
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	I recovers this spiked club and I made some pictures

17th May 2016, 08:36 PM	#10
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 182	Most of these are from 16th to 18th century. Müller/Kölling (Europäische Hieb- und Stichwaffen) show some from the Berlin collection.

18th May 2016, 07:27 AM	#11
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 525	Hi, Judging by the pictures i would be suprised if this where a few decades old. The wood has no sign of age, patina, cracks, real handlingmarks or even markings of old tools (to make the mace).. The iron is non consistent in its patina/corossion and the spikes look like they where aged and afterwards hammered into the fresh wood (hence all the curled spiked points). The blade on top might be the only old thing about it.. :/ Still a nice decorative piece in my eyes, it would surely make a display with some armour

17th July 2016, 02:37 PM	#14
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	I've seen things that look like this called spiked cudgels (Mentioning it because the word Cudgel instead of club might turn a few more search results for you). Also someone said WWI? I thought trench clubs were very short?

23rd July 2016, 07:15 AM	#15
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THIS TYPE OF POLE ARM IS ONE I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN AS A HOLY WATER SPRINKLER. THE ONE I CALL A MORNING STAR IS A TYPE OF MACE WITH A SPIKED BALL OR BALLS ON A SHORT HANDLE WITH CHAIN ATTACHING THE TWO. I THINK BOTH SAW USE DURING THE MIDDLE AGES. MOST I HAVE SEEN WERE ATTRIBUTED TO SPAIN BUT THEY WERE LIKELY PRESENT IN SEVERAL OTHER COUNTRY'S AS WELL. I AM CERTAINLY NO EXPERT IN THIS FIELD BUT THAT IS WHAT LITTLE I KNOW RIGHT OR WRONG.