Giant Koumiya

Kubur · 13th January 2016, 12:45 PM

Hi,

Any comments about giant koumiya unlike the one sold by Oriental arms?

He said: "The actual use of such big Koumaya dagger is still a mystery: It is definitely old, early 20 C. and not a tourist souvenir. Is it for ceremonial use? or may be an advertisement to a Koumaya maker?? In any case it is an unusual and interesting authentic item."

I agree it's an authentic stuff. Some of them have real good blades others don't, but they are all old. early 20 C & end of 19th.

Best,
Kubur

Helleri · 13th January 2016, 01:29 PM

Could you better define Giant? I don't know the size of the relatively small one, so I don't know the size of the larger one. Also I was told that large simple butte rings instead of Riveted bails with all the attention the rest of one has = tourist knife. I don't know how true that is though. Because most things in history have been made to varying degrees of quality.

ariel · 13th January 2016, 04:37 PM

As Lily von Shtupp from "Blazing Saddles" used to say, " What a nice guy...."

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 13th January 2016, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi,

Any comments about giant koumiya unlike the one sold by Oriental arms?

He said: "The actual use of such big Koumaya dagger is still a mystery: It is definitely old, early 20 C. and not a tourist souvenir. Is it for ceremonial use? or may be an advertisement to a Koumaya maker?? In any case it is an unusual and interesting authentic item."

I agree it's an authentic stuff. Some of them have real good blades others don't, but they are all old. early 20 C & end of 19th.

Best,
Kubur

Salaams Kubur see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...roccan+daggers and or type in Moroccan daggers to Forum search. I think it is the "Gendarmes Hat" style. Shown at my post on #6. (Chapeau de Gendarme)
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Kubur · 13th January 2016, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams Kubur see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...roccan+daggers and or type in Moroccan daggers to Forum search. I think it is the "Gendarmes Hat" style. Shown at my post on #6. (Chapeau de Gendarme)
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Salaam Ibrahiim,

Yes they are chapeau de gendarme.
The biggest 60cm and the smalest 40cm.
Shukran for the link!

Kubur

Kubur · 14th January 2016, 08:09 PM

I will reply to myself... I can't be disapointed.

Here a photo of Stone's glossary with the same huge koummiya, look at the siz of the dharia to compare, impressive...

kahnjar1 · 14th January 2016, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

I will reply to myself... I can't be disapointed.

Here a photo of Stone's glossary with the same huge koummiya, look at the siz of the dharia to compare, impressive...

Don't really think you can compare sizes from this illustration. It is a drawing, not a photograph and would not be to scale.

Kubur · 14th January 2016, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Don't really think you can compare sizes from this illustration. It is a drawing, not a photograph and would not be to scale.

Of course its to scale, its clear! and its a photograph...
Or maybe a drawing after photograph, the book is a mix of photos and drawings.
Do you have it? Have a look...

kahnjar1 · 14th January 2016, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Of course its to scale, its clear! and its a photograph...
Or maybe a drawing after photograph, the book is a mix of photos and drawings.
Do you have it? Have a look...

In order of your statements... No, Possibly, Yes and Yes

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 14th January 2016, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

I will reply to myself... I can't be disapointed.

Here a photo of Stone's glossary with the same huge koummiya, look at the siz of the dharia to compare, impressive...

Salaams Kubur, I think the chart you have supplied from Stone is about sufficient though I have to agree with it being somewhat blurred perhaps because it is a sketchograph ... however, I note the daggers you present are there in the chart ...Possibly at 8 and 3... Can you confirm that...and are they both Hat of the Policeman styles?

I think it would be a good idea if you can to stick up the key to that chart which would serve Library well for those who dont have Stone ... Hats off to that if you can

Note. Perhaps Stone missed the important Talisman 5 geometric decoration at the hilt of the largest in the chart and at #1 ? ; 5 fingers of the Hand of Fatima design.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Helleri · 14th January 2016, 10:46 PM

I took the image into gimp to see if I could squeeze a little better detail out of it.

harrywagner · 14th January 2016, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

I will reply to myself... I can't be disapointed.

Here a photo of Stone's glossary with the same huge koummiya, look at the siz of the dharia to compare, impressive...

Great looking Koummya. Thanks for sharing. Is this the book that page is from: A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor in All Countries and in All Times? Crazy title, but what a great reference page! Is the rest of the book as good?

Harry

kahnjar1 · 15th January 2016, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by harrywagner

Great looking Koummya. Thanks for sharing. Is this the book that page is from: A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor in All Countries and in All Times? Crazy title, but what a great reference page! Is the rest of the book as good?

Harry

Hi Harry, Yes, and yes the book is worth getting hold of if you can pick it up. A good reference book though unless you know what an item is called it can take time to find it.
Stu .

harrywagner · 15th January 2016, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Hi Harry, Yes, and yes the book is worth getting hold of if you can pick it up. A good reference book though unless you know what an item is called it can take time to find it.
Stu .

Thanks Stu. I just purchased a paperback copy from Amazon. I would have preferred a hardcover but the difference in price sure makes the paperback appealing! This author has another book, also on Amazon, with an almost identical title, except that it ends with "... All Countries and in All Times, with some closely related subjects". That book can be had for the price of a modest lunch. Does anyone know if this is a second edition, or if it is worth buying if you already have his other book? Thanks again!

Harry

Kubur · 15th January 2016, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrywagner

Thanks Stu. I just purchased a paperback copy from Amazon. I would have preferred a hardcover but the difference in price sure makes the paperback appealing! This author has another book, also on Amazon, with an almost identical title, except that it ends with "... All Countries and in All Times, with some closely related subjects". That book can be had for the price of a modest lunch. Does anyone know if this is a second edition, or if it is worth buying if you already have his other book? Thanks again!

Harry

Hi harry

It's the same book, different editions...
A little bit old but useful, enjoy!!

Kubur

harrywagner · 15th January 2016, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi harry

It's the same book, different editions...
A little bit old but useful, enjoy!!

Kubur

Thanks!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 16th January 2016, 06:21 AM

Salaams All...see this ~

http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/koummya/index.html

and type into search; Moroccan Daggers.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Kubur · 16th January 2016, 07:44 PM

And the best link is

http://nimcha.fr/koummya.htm

This guy is amazing, he should write a book!!
Kubur

Iain · 16th January 2016, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

And the best link is

http://nimcha.fr/koummya.htm

This guy is amazing, he should write a book!!
Kubur

The author of the site is a member although I don't believe he's been active for a while. I recommend the 1939 paper referenced at the bottom of his web article.

archer · 27th January 2016, 10:19 PM

A link to Giant koummya 24 inches OAL. Here is a normal sized heavy all steel one 15 3/4 inches OAL , the blade is chrome plated and it doesn't appear to have been put into use. Windows 10 has complicated photos. I'll try to get it working, It looks to be the same style as others shown. Steve

Kubur · 28th January 2016, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archer

A link to Giant koummya 24 inches OAL. Here is a normal sized heavy all steel one 15 3/4 inches OAL , the blade is chrome plated and it doesn't appear to have been put into use. Windows 10 has complicated photos. I'll try to get it working, It looks to be the same style as others shown. Steve

Hi,

I can't see your pictures...
To wait another big daddy....

Kubur

Richard G · 28th January 2016, 01:46 PM

No's 23 and 24 from Stone's Glossary, are presumably the "Met. Omani" khanjar posted by Kubur on the "Omani Khanjar (Jambiya) for Comment" thread.
Regards
Richard

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Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	I took the image into gimp to see if I could squeeze a little better detail out of it. Attached Images

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Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Koummya in Forum Library. Salaams All...see this ~ http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/koummya/index.html and type into search; Moroccan Daggers. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

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archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Gaint Koumaya A link to Giant koummya 24 inches OAL. Here is a normal sized heavy all steel one 15 3/4 inches OAL , the blade is chrome plated and it doesn't appear to have been put into use. Windows 10 has complicated photos. I'll try to get it working, It looks to be the same style as others shown. Steve Last edited by archer; 27th January 2016 at 10:55 PM.

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13th January 2016, 12:45 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Giant Koumiya Hi, Any comments about giant koumiya unlike the one sold by Oriental arms? He said: "The actual use of such big Koumaya dagger is still a mystery: It is definitely old, early 20 C. and not a tourist souvenir. Is it for ceremonial use? or may be an advertisement to a Koumaya maker?? In any case it is an unusual and interesting authentic item." I agree it's an authentic stuff. Some of them have real good blades others don't, but they are all old. early 20 C & end of 19th. Best, Kubur Attached Images

13th January 2016, 01:29 PM	#2
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	Could you better define Giant? I don't know the size of the relatively small one, so I don't know the size of the larger one. Also I was told that large simple butte rings instead of Riveted bails with all the attention the rest of one has = tourist knife. I don't know how true that is though. Because most things in history have been made to varying degrees of quality.

13th January 2016, 04:37 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	As Lily von Shtupp from "Blazing Saddles" used to say, " What a nice guy...."

14th January 2016, 08:09 PM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I will reply to myself... I can't be disapointed. Here a photo of Stone's glossary with the same huge koummiya, look at the siz of the dharia to compare, impressive... Attached Images

16th January 2016, 07:44 PM	#18
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	And the best link is http://nimcha.fr/koummya.htm This guy is amazing, he should write a book!! Kubur

28th January 2016, 01:46 PM	#22
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 406	No's 23 and 24 from Stone's Glossary, are presumably the "Met. Omani" khanjar posted by Kubur on the "Omani Khanjar (Jambiya) for Comment" thread. Regards Richard