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Hello Miguel very nice protected piece you have here belongs to time Sultan 2nd Abdülhamid times there was a cavalary unit called Ertuğrul Alayı and this sword we call in Turkey as Ertuğrul Alayı Kılıcı ( Sword of Ertuğrul Alayı) has a definitive crossguard is speacially made for this cavalary unit and hilt is slighly different ( but very smiliar ) than usual pear shaped pommel and blade is different than late period kilij and also used in another regions of Ottoman too. as i see the blade is as well original staying in your piece
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WOW, When I posted this thread I never dreamed it would develop as it has. I am only a simple collector who wished confirmation of the sword which was answered in the first couple of replies, amazing how the subject changes but very interesting if not somewhat confusing for someone with only a little knowledge like me. This is what I like about this forum I learn something every time I log on.
I googled all the sword type names i.e. Kilij, Saif and Shamshir etc. to seek clarification but I can tell you that every thing contained in the thread could be found. I think that. for myself, I am better sticking to the name the sword conjures up in my mind otherwise it becomes to confusing. Thank you everyone for your comments and time. Regards Miguel ps Can anyone translate the blade stamp. |
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Hi Miguel,
One very similar, I would say 1850ties, probably from an officer in the artillery. have a look at the beautiful Persian blade! Best, Kubur |
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about the stamp it is maker's insignia i guess one answer i get is it is written "Muhammed or Mehmet" in the middle of stamp but of course they said it is hard to read can you maybe provide a better photo with 90 degree angle to it ?
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yes the chapter on the swords starts page 10. But there are a lot of things. What are you looking for exactly?? Best, |
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Sorry for the dealy that's correct and its page 10. Then he talks about the nimcha. But this story of saif and shamshir is much more complicated. For me the sabre is something from the East, coming to Middle East with the Moghols at the end of the 13th c. best, Kubur |
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Hi Miguel,
Here is mine, less sexy than yours but still Ottoman end of 19th or very early 20th c. Best Kubur |
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I have only just noticed that I have missed your last reply and would like to apologise for this oversight, I hope you did not think that I ignored it deliberately. I can only put it down to getting old and forgetful and trust you will accept my apology. Thank you for the information re the blade stamp and I will try and provide a clearer photo of it once I have received my PC from the repairers and it is up and running. Best regards Miguel |
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by the way i am waiting for a clearer photo to see i will check the forum time by time with my respects O. Baskurt |
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I have now had my PC returned but regret that I cannot obtain a clearer image of the stamp, probably due to my ineptitude with a camera, sorry but it looks like the stamp we've got will have to suffice. Regards Miguel |
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What about this one?
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I would say the same family, second part of 19th c. Completely Turkish ottoman, even if it belongs to your Greek ancestors. PS: Your photos in the other thread on belts are amazing. Thanks. Kubur |
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In Greece, we make no weapons,we prefer to decorate them.
(Make art, no war!) |
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What a beautiful Kalij, thank you for sharing.
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Scabbard parts from 3 swords of this type, found in Greece.
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