Oriental weapons from the Hermitage exposition - Page 2

Mercenary · 17th October 2015, 01:10 PM

Thank you.

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Did you happen to notice any kukri whilst you were there?

No. These photo show all exposition.

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but no keris , mandaus or balatos in the exhibition?

I understand it is conception of exposition: Asia without SEA, Far East, China...

arsendaday · 17th October 2015, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercenary

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Did anyone pay attention to the sword with double blades? With the lion head pommel. This is the first time that I see one of these. This one is a Persian sword and most likely a display one, but it is said that Tamerlane (aka Timur Lang) had a double bladed sword like this one and that he was so strong and powerful that when he struck with his sword he cut the enemy into three pieces. I wish I could read the museum description for this sword. Anyway thanks for sharing and good luck.

Battara · 18th October 2015, 02:38 AM

Wonderful, thank you. I also suppose nothing from the Philippines, huh?

rickystl · 18th October 2015, 05:27 AM

outstanding !!!!!! Thanks you for sharing. What a collecdtion. rick.

Gavin Nugent · 18th October 2015, 05:28 AM

A wonderful experience, thank you!

I would love to see more Bukharan arms found in other Museums there too.

With thanks

Gavin

ALEX · 19th October 2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by arsendaday

Did anyone pay attention to the sword with double blades? With the lion head pommel. This is the first time that I see one of these. This one is a Persian sword and most likely a display one, but it is said that Tamerlane (aka Timur Lang) had a double bladed sword like this one and that he was so strong and powerful that when he struck with his sword he cut the enemy into three pieces. I wish I could read the museum description for this sword. Anyway thanks for sharing and good luck.

Mercenary, thank you for sharing these pictures! Truly awesome!

Arsen, these split swords are rare, but there're quite a few. They are ceremonial swords, as you can see in THIS example. I handled another one, a Qajar split blade made of laddered wootz, with one half broken, and it is amazing how they forged two halves running almost parallel to each other.
Hopefully Richard Furrer will comment on such a feast.

AJ1356 · 19th October 2015, 03:35 PM

Thanks for sharing.

Miguel · 19th October 2015, 07:52 PM

Absolutely wonderful, thank you for taking the time to share your photos.
Miguel

arsendaday · 22nd October 2015, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Mercenary, thank you for sharing these pictures! Truly awesome!

Arsen, these split swords are rare, but there're quite a few. They are ceremonial swords, as you can see in THIS example. I handled another one, a Qajar split blade made of laddered wootz, with one half broken, and it is amazing how they forged two halves running almost parallel to each other.
Hopefully Richard Furrer will comment on such a feast.

Hi Alex, I thought it was a ceremonial sword, but I think with some training one will be able to cut through stuff (or a neck

), especially if you are the Sultan and the neck is not resisting. But otherwise, really good craftsmanship just to prove a point, i.e. that Ali's Sword was double-bladed. I am too waiting for more comments about this type of blades.

ALEX · 2nd December 2015, 10:29 AM

Arsen, you may read more about Dhu'l-Fakar HERE

Roland_M · 2nd December 2015, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by arsendaday

Ali's Sword was double-bladed. I am too waiting for more comments about this type of blades.

Ali's Sword was not double bladed, it was a straight double edged sword, very sharp and probably quite heavy.

Dhu'l-Fakar was the best sword belonging to Muhammad (Peace be upon him), so it was never a double bladed sword, because these type of sword is very unsuitable for a battle. Double bladed swords are always ceremonial swords.

fernando · 2nd December 2015, 04:45 PM

Beautiful pictures of luxury weapons.
Thanks for sharing.

kahnjar1 · 2nd December 2015, 06:19 PM

Thank you for these. A truly amazing display of weapons an related items.
Stu

CharlesS · 2nd December 2015, 11:48 PM

These are amazing pics! Thanks so much for sharing them with us!

digenis · 3rd December 2015, 07:42 PM

Fantastic! Thanks for sharing.

estcrh · 3rd December 2015, 10:57 PM

Thanks for the fantastic images. Does anyone know if these were diplomatic gifts between governments?

harrywagner · 4th December 2015, 07:27 PM

Wow! Thank you for sharing these. I did not expect to have anything in my small collection that even remotely resembled anything held by that, or any other, museum. I have an Algerian knife (sword?) that i've never put much stock in. I've always thought of it as a tourist item. Surprisingly it resembles one of the knives on page 1. I have attached that photo and a photo of the Algerian knife for easy comparison. Do these look similar to anyone else, or do I need new glasses?

Thanks again. I love these virtual museum visits!

Harry

Emanuel · 4th December 2015, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by harrywagner

...I have an Algerian knife...Do these look similar to anyone else...

Harry

Hello,

Not just similar, but the same thing. Search the forum for "wedding nimcha" and "flyssa" for information on how these daggers likely came to be

Emanuel

harrywagner · 4th December 2015, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Emanuel

Hello,

Not just similar, but the same thing. Search the forum for "wedding nimcha" and "flyssa" for information on how these daggers likely came to be

Emanuel

Thanks Emanuel. I did not know that they are called wedding nimchas. I am surprised to see it in this collection. It is "rubbing shoulders" with some fine company.

sirupate · 5th December 2015, 07:49 AM

Fabulous, it must have taken an age to post the pics, what a wonderful collection for us to view, many thanks Mercenary

ALEX · 11th January 2016, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Mercenary, thank you for sharing these pictures! Truly awesome!

Arsen, these split swords are rare, but there're quite a few. They are ceremonial swords, as you can see in THIS example. I handled another one, a Qajar split blade made of laddered wootz, with one half broken, and it is amazing how they forged two halves running almost parallel to each other.
Hopefully Richard Furrer will comment on such a feast.

Here is another zul-faqar sword. Late Qajar blade in Ottoman mounts, and similar in Higgins Collection HERE
Any comments on sword below?

ariel · 11th January 2016, 09:23 PM

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Better than the new issue of Playboy
Thank you!!!

Anything is better than the newest issue of Playboy: it shows 49 yo Pamela Anderson in the nude.....

ariel · 11th January 2016, 09:29 PM

I just got a book of this exhibition. Big, thick, on glossy paper.

No English translations.
Very pedestrian and superficial legends, no different from the museum labels. A coffee-table album. Tirri was more informative and interesting.

If anybody is interested, send me a message: I know a good seller in Russia.

4th December 2015, 07:27 PM	#47
harrywagner Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 373	Thank you Wow! Thank you for sharing these. I did not expect to have anything in my small collection that even remotely resembled anything held by that, or any other, museum. I have an Algerian knife (sword?) that i've never put much stock in. I've always thought of it as a tourist item. Surprisingly it resembles one of the knives on page 1. I have attached that photo and a photo of the Algerian knife for easy comparison. Do these look similar to anyone else, or do I need new glasses? Thanks again. I love these virtual museum visits! Harry Attached Images

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18th October 2015, 02:38 AM	#33
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Wonderful, thank you. I also suppose nothing from the Philippines, huh?

18th October 2015, 05:27 AM	#34
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,629	outstanding !!!!!! Thanks you for sharing. What a collecdtion. rick.

18th October 2015, 05:28 AM	#35
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	A wonderful experience, thank you! I would love to see more Bukharan arms found in other Museums there too. With thanks Gavin

19th October 2015, 03:35 PM	#37
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 316	Thanks for sharing.

19th October 2015, 07:52 PM	#38
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Absolutely wonderful, thank you for taking the time to share your photos. Miguel

2nd December 2015, 10:29 AM	#40
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Arsen, you may read more about Dhu'l-Fakar HERE

2nd December 2015, 04:45 PM	#42
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Beautiful pictures of luxury weapons. Thanks for sharing.

2nd December 2015, 06:19 PM	#43
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,772	Thank you for these. A truly amazing display of weapons an related items. Stu

2nd December 2015, 11:48 PM	#44
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	These are amazing pics! Thanks so much for sharing them with us!

3rd December 2015, 07:42 PM	#45
digenis Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 48	Fantastic! Thanks for sharing.

3rd December 2015, 10:57 PM	#46
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	Thanks for the fantastic images. Does anyone know if these were diplomatic gifts between governments?

5th December 2015, 07:49 AM	#50
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	Fabulous, it must have taken an age to post the pics, what a wonderful collection for us to view, many thanks Mercenary

11th January 2016, 09:29 PM	#53
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I just got a book of this exhibition. Big, thick, on glossy paper. No English translations. Very pedestrian and superficial legends, no different from the museum labels. A coffee-table album. Tirri was more informative and interesting. If anybody is interested, send me a message: I know a good seller in Russia.