Show us your Powder flask

[Kubur]

I see one like yours in Tirri's book.
But this poor Tirri did few mistakes.
Look in Elgood "Arms of Arabia" page 50, you have one like yours from Oman.
If you have the same type between Pakistan, Iran and Oman.
I would say that this powder flask is Balutch.
The Omani had a lot of Balutch soldiers during the 19th c.
Ibrahim should help us for that!!!

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by Kubur

I see one like yours in Tirri's book.
But this poor Tirri did few mistakes.
Look in Elgood "Arms of Arabia" page 50, you have one like yours from Oman.
If you have the same type between Pakistan, Iran and Oman.
I would say that this powder flask is Balutch.
The Omani had a lot of Balutch soldiers during the 19th c.
Ibrahim should help us for that!!!

I think we all probably agree that there are mistakes in Tirri's book, as there are in other publications, but then we are all still learning.
The item shown on page 50 of Elgood's book is indeed very similar to that shown by Fernando, BUT the text does not mention Oman, simply that the items shown are 19th century. No mention is made as to origin.
Stu

[stelio]

My opinion is that it has a container for oil cleaning that had for weapons.They think it's middle East in 19 century, maybe from Iran.I think that type use from all middle east area(ottoman empire,balkan country's ,arabia,Persia .

[fernando]

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

I think we all probably agree that there are mistakes in Tirri's book, as there are in other publications, but then we are all still learning.
The item shown on page 50 of Elgood's book is indeed very similar to that shown by Fernando, BUT the text does not mention Oman, simply that the items shown are 19th century. No mention is made as to origin.
Stu

So where are we getting at, Stu ?
Can i not (even) call it a Barut Dan ?

[Kubur]

Yes there is no mention of the origin but the objects of the whole set are from Oman. So I think your powder flask is from Oman or Balutchistan...

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Yes there is no mention of the origin but the objects of the whole set are from Oman. So I think your powder flask is from Oman or Balutchistan...

Could be either but there is a huge distance between the two places. Balutchistan (a part of Pakistan) borders modern day Iran which of course was called Persia......a VERY long way from Oman.
The fact that the pic shows mostly Omani objects does not CONCLUSIVELY mean that they are ALL Omani.
Stone's Glossary shows this general shape as being from Persia and another similar shape as being from Sudan, so perhaps the shape was a rather universal one in the greater region............
IBRAHIIM WE NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE
Stu

[Kubur]

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[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by Kubur

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...n+powder+flask

I do not see any conclusive evidence here.....many of the items shown in the souks are not Omani. Certainly there is a powder flask of a similar type shown but that in itself does not prove it's origins.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Could be either but there is a huge distance between the two places. Balutchistan (a part of Pakistan) borders modern day Iran which of course was called Persia......a VERY long way from Oman.
The fact that the pic shows mostly Omani objects does not CONCLUSIVELY mean that they are ALL Omani.
Stone's Glossary shows this general shape as being from Persia and another similar shape as being from Sudan, so perhaps the shape was a rather universal one in the greater region............
IBRAHIIM WE NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE
Stu

Salaams Khanjar1 ..Late reply... I missed this entire thread. Your point is good. Oman owned a small swathe of Baluchistan which it sold back to Pakistan in 1950. This was the area around Gwadur seaport. As part of the deal Oman was allowed to continue to recruit Baluch soldiers for Oman up until today...There is an entire tribe in Oman called al Baluch. They stretch all the way down the Baatinah coast and are numerous in Buraimi and Muscat.
The absolutely Omani powder flask is as you have in your collection with silver work throughout and on a chain and often attached to a leather strap and worn around the neck. The second type is a wooden one that you also show often with a silver chain and cover.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

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