Omani khanjar

[Kubur]

Thank you Ariel!
I will put mine in the second level of al-Nakas definition...
As it looks quite good in hands.
Nevertheless I was so desperate that I got another one.
I don't think that this one is a bad one...
:-)
Kubur

[blue lander]

Is that one Saudi?

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you Ariel!
I will put mine in the second level of al-Nakas definition...
As it looks quite good in hands.
Nevertheless I was so desperate that I got another one.
I don't think that this one is a bad one...
:-)
Kubur

Sadly it isnt. Its the lower end of quality. I saw plenty of them in Oman and Kuwait, heaviness and solid feel doesnt mean good quality really. When you get to handle the finer examples, you'll know what were talking about :-)

[A.alnakkas]

The last one is Saudi yes. Made in southern KSA, maker is probably alDojani.

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

The last one is Saudi yes. Made in southern KSA, maker is probably alDojani.

I note that there is some Arabic script on the toe. Perhaps with a clearer pic a translation might be forthcoming...............

[A.alnakkas]

good observation Stu. I hope Kubur sends clearer photos of the inscription, but what I can see now it says "shughl Abdulaziz alDojani" (work of AbdulAziz alDojani) but need better photos to be precise.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you Ariel!
I will put mine in the second level of al-Nakas definition...
As it looks quite good in hands.
Nevertheless I was so desperate that I got another one.
I don't think that this one is a bad one...
:-)
Kubur

Salaams Kubur, So you have it correctly from fellow forum members that this is not an Omani Khanjar. There are a number of tell tale give aways shown here not least the very obvious Hilt form. Note that the scabbard compared to Omani style has quite an extra degree of turn typical of those from Saudia. See also the half loop decoration also typical just above the belt structure. UUUUUUU and lastly the inscription behind the crown. In addition there are two loops on the reverse near the top of the scabbard that are used to tie it to the broad belt ~not seen in Omani styles. I have this style as typical to the Asir region; previously Yemen.. which in the 1920s became part of KSA.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you Ariel!
I will put mine in the second level of al-Nakas definition...
As it looks quite good in hands.
Nevertheless I was so desperate that I got another one.
I don't think that this one is a bad one...
:-)
Kubur

This particular style of Khanjar was discussed at some length here http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18700 where it was decided that the style was definitely from KSA but could either be from Al Hasa or Asir....refer to post #13 for differences between the two.
Stu

[Richard G]

The khunjar in post #6 has a fine silver face of closely placed pins. In my experience the material of the hilt itself is probably worthy of closer inspection.

The jambiya in post #14 is, as Khanjar1 says, now thought to be KSA. A convincing point, to me, as Ibrahim points out, is the two small lugs on the rear of the scabbard which would facilitate attachment to a wide Yemeni style belt, and be redundant on a true Omani khunjar. Ruth Hawley's book (1978) on Omani silver illustrates a similar jambiya, but on an Omani belt, which she attributes 'probably' to the Sharqiyah in Oman. This attribution may be wrong, but I think we can safely assume the khunjar was in Oman, when she acquired it. I stiil wouldn't bet my house some of these might not have been made in Oman.

The King Feisal Centre Exhibition catalogue has two jambiya with this type of scabbard (page 56) described as from Al Ahsa, 'contemporary' (1990) and 'Doojaniyan' . I often wondered what that meant. Now, thanks to Mr Alnakkas, I know. But, would the the inhabitants of Al Ahsa, which is a long way from the Asir wear their jambiya on a Yemeni type belt, or an Omani type ? Does anyone know more of Abdulaziz Al Dojani ? I am beginning to think he must have had a sizeable workshop, if we knew where it was (or is), some attributions might be more certain.

Regards
Richard

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by Richard G

The khunjar in post #6 has a fine silver face of closely placed pins. In my experience the material of the hilt itself is probably worthy of closer inspection.

The jambiya in post # is, as Khanjar1 says, now thought to be KSA. A convincing point, to me, as Ibrahim points out, is the two small lugs on the rear of the scabbard which would facilitate attachment to a wide Yemeni style belt, and be redundant on a true Omani khunjar. Ruth Hawley's book (1978) on Omani silver illustrates a similar jambiya, but on an Omani belt, which she attributes 'probably' to the Sharqiyah in Oman. This attribution may be wrong, but I think we can safely assume the khunjar was in Oman, when she acquired it.

The King Feisal Centre Exhibition catalogue has two jambiya with this type of scabbard (page 56) described as 'Doojaniiyan' and 'contemporary' and from Al Ahsa (1990). I often wondered what that meant. Now, thanks to Mr Alnakkas, I know. Does anyone know more of Abdulaziz Al Dojani, I am beginning to think he must have had a sizeable workshop.
Regards
Richard

I noticed the close pins too. This is certainly old as new craftsmen do not do it that well now and their tries look bad in my eyes. I have seen it mainly on rhino, but in Oman I saw some applied to a honey colored hard wood type.

Dojan is supposedly still in business and makes plenty of khanjars. May next plan is to visit Saudi Arabia and gather as much information as possible from the source. AS for the King Faisal book, it has many flaws.

[Richard G]

Sorry, Mr Alnakkas,
We crossed in the edit. Do you know where AlDojani's workshop is?
Asir, Al Hasa, Nejd?
Thanks
Richard

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by Richard G

Sorry, Mr Alnakkas,
We crossed in the edit. Do you know where AlDojani's workshop is?
Asir, Al Hasa, Nejd?
Thanks
Richard

Asir supposedly. But I need to go and check for myself. I do not trust the information I get from other collectors there.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by Richard G

The khunjar in post #6 has a fine silver face of closely placed pins. In my experience the material of the hilt itself is probably worthy of closer inspection.

The jambiya in post #14 is, as Khanjar1 says, now thought to be KSA. A convincing point, to me, as Ibrahim points out, is the two small lugs on the rear of the scabbard which would facilitate attachment to a wide Yemeni style belt, and be redundant on a true Omani khunjar. Ruth Hawley's book (1978) on Omani silver illustrates a similar jambiya, but on an Omani belt, which she attributes 'probably' to the Sharqiyah in Oman. This attribution may be wrong, but I think we can safely assume the khunjar was in Oman, when she acquired it. I stiil wouldn't bet my house some of these might not have been made in Oman.

The King Feisal Centre Exhibition catalogue has two jambiya with this type of scabbard (page 56) described as from Al Ahsa, 'contemporary' (1990) and 'Doojaniyan' . I often wondered what that meant. Now, thanks to Mr Alnakkas, I know. But, would the the inhabitants of Al Ahsa, which is a long way from the Asir wear their jambiya on a Yemeni type belt, or an Omani type ? Does anyone know more of Abdulaziz Al Dojani ? I am beginning to think he must have had a sizeable workshop, if we knew where it was (or is), some attributions might be more certain.

Regards
Richard

Salaams Richard G ...My first reference is from Forum Library at http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...omani+khanjars which deals with daggers from the Asir in what are known in Oman as Habaabi or of Abha weapons...Abha being the local capital.

Whilst I would never run down the famous work of Ruth Hawley in what was a ground breaking but limited publication ...full of great historical broad and wide facts on Omani Silver where there is the most peculiar page showing the Dagger with a grainy and difficult to detect picture of the interloper you mention... indeed not a Muscat Dagger as I first imagined but one from The Asir, Yemen now part of KSA...and covered elsewhere on Forum... An area kept very much in the dark for a long time after it changed ownership (1920?)and from which very little information leaked out until relatively recently. It was not actually written into the KSA statute books until around 1935...and remained shrouded in darkness for many years after... Ruth Hawleys book in fact would not have had the information to hand as it was still a difficult area when it was written...but it is generally seen and agreed that the weapon shown is from the Asir.

To view another tranche of odd and mistaken Khanjars see www.omanisilver.com where the authors misplace in their virtual entirety a complete group of Khanjars as Omani when in fact they are from the Flower Tribal Asir region now in KSA. Easily done I suppose...

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.