Visayan bolo, pinuti?

Sajen · 23rd August 2013, 05:02 PM

Have bought this Visayan bolo, first you may think that it is a talibon but I think that the blade form is different. It has a chisel ground edge but the bend after the bevel isn't so strong like by a talibon. After some research I found this older thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=pinuti and I think both bolos are very similar and also the age of both could be in the same frame. Hopeful that it isn't a early tourist item but the blade seems to be good worked.
Your opinion would be very appreciated.

Battara · 24th August 2013, 01:17 AM

Interesting pinuti. I don't think that this is a tourist item - the scabbard carving looks too good and old to my eyes.

KuKulzA28 · 24th August 2013, 04:54 AM

I think it may be a tourist item. Seems concurrent with all those "Philippines" scabbards and Army bring back talibongs. I had one like it long ago.

Sajen · 24th August 2013, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Interesting pinuti. I don't think that this is a tourist item - the scabbard carving looks too good and old to my eyes.

Thank you Jose!

That's what I thought myself. Will post more pictures when I have received it.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 24th August 2013, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuKulzA28

I think it may be a tourist item. Seems concurrent with all those "Philippines" scabbards and Army bring back talibongs. I had one like it long ago.

Could be but not all Army bring back talibongs are special worked for them so that you can classify them as tourist items. Here is an old thread from Senior members about talibons of this quality: http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001242.html

Regards,

Detlef

FilAmfighter1 · 24th August 2013, 10:23 PM

OK looking at the blade it is a Pinute, it is Garab. Have several in my collection.

Sajen · 24th August 2013, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FilAmfighter1

OK looking at the blade it is a Pinute, it is Garab. Have several in my collection.

Thank you for comment!

So you don't think that it is a pinuti but a talibon/garab also when the bend after the bevel isn't so strong as normal? Have you had a look to the other thread I have given the link? Please can you show your examples? And what you think about the age from my one?

Thank you,

Detlef

Battara · 24th August 2013, 10:54 PM

I guess when I think of talibon/garab, I think of larger blades (and older ones with slightly curved spines as well).

Sajen · 25th August 2013, 12:51 AM

Agree with you Jose, Garabs are the big ones, look post #3 in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=garab
Talibons are the smaller and more simple ones for every day use.
But my question would be if we can classify the one in question still as talibon?

FilAmfighter1 · 25th August 2013, 06:34 PM

The piece looks like a post war maybe 1940s Army bring Garab knife. It is missing the unit crest for the WW-2 souvenir types and cord belt.There are slight differences seen between the Talibon and Garab knives. The big blades it it easier to tell. One of the great challenges is that some local maker makes the blade to what they think it should look like. Many blades were made on Luzon to represent those from other regions. Batangas does the same thing today.

Battara · 25th August 2013, 10:44 PM

Sajen I have noticed that garab and talibon seem interchangeable.

Filamfighter1, although I don't think this is a tourist piece, I do agree that it may have been made for use during WWII. I believe that usually the better the carving the earlier the pieceay be as a general rule of thumb.

23rd August 2013, 05:02 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Visayan bolo, pinuti? Have bought this Visayan bolo, first you may think that it is a talibon but I think that the blade form is different. It has a chisel ground edge but the bend after the bevel isn't so strong like by a talibon. After some research I found this older thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=pinuti and I think both bolos are very similar and also the age of both could be in the same frame. Hopeful that it isn't a early tourist item but the blade seems to be good worked. Your opinion would be very appreciated. Attached Images

24th August 2013, 10:23 PM	#6
FilAmfighter1 Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Torrance Posts: 49	Not a Pinute OK looking at the blade it is a Pinute, it is Garab. Have several in my collection.

25th August 2013, 06:34 PM	#10
FilAmfighter1 Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Torrance Posts: 49	Army Bring back Garab The piece looks like a post war maybe 1940s Army bring Garab knife. It is missing the unit crest for the WW-2 souvenir types and cord belt.There are slight differences seen between the Talibon and Garab knives. The big blades it it easier to tell. One of the great challenges is that some local maker makes the blade to what they think it should look like. Many blades were made on Luzon to represent those from other regions. Batangas does the same thing today.

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24th August 2013, 01:17 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	Interesting pinuti. I don't think that this is a tourist item - the scabbard carving looks too good and old to my eyes.

24th August 2013, 04:54 AM	#3
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	I think it may be a tourist item. Seems concurrent with all those "Philippines" scabbards and Army bring back talibongs. I had one like it long ago. Attached Images

24th August 2013, 10:54 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	I guess when I think of talibon/garab, I think of larger blades (and older ones with slightly curved spines as well).

25th August 2013, 12:51 AM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Agree with you Jose, Garabs are the big ones, look post #3 in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=garab Talibons are the smaller and more simple ones for every day use. But my question would be if we can classify the one in question still as talibon?

25th August 2013, 10:44 PM	#11
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	Sajen I have noticed that garab and talibon seem interchangeable. Filamfighter1, although I don't think this is a tourist piece, I do agree that it may have been made for use during WWII. I believe that usually the better the carving the earlier the pieceay be as a general rule of thumb.