My two newest additions-Filipino Blades

FilAmfighter1 · 17th March 2013, 01:51 AM

I found and old guy who was vet, and had these old blades sitting at his place. I got the two for good price. The story goes they were brought back by a couple of GIs after WW-II. Both are missing their scabbards. I would like to clean off the rust, what is the best way to clean and then restore these blades?

kahnjar1 · 17th March 2013, 02:56 AM

A very easy method of rust removal is to soak blade in pineapple juice. Juice from supermarket and plastic pipe of suitable diam to take the blade, with one end sealed off. End of pipe serves to hold hilt with blade suspended in the juice. This method does not damage the blade in any way.
Stu

Sajen · 17th March 2013, 12:45 PM

Nice kampilan and Luzon "kris"/sword. Great find.

I personally would use very fine sand paper in combination with oil or WD 40. Pineapple juice will do the job as well but the blades will get a rough and "grey" surface and you will need the sanding after this also. And the sanding will have the effect that the blade don't lose the antique look.
I have done it for example in this way by this blade: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16673

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 17th March 2013, 10:36 PM

Until I have further evidence, I think your Luzon sword maybe from Ilocos Norte region.

The kampilan is not rare, but certainly not that common either, based on the style of the less seen guard.

FilAmfighter1 · 19th March 2013, 01:56 AM

I can post so more pictures on the hand guard, if it would help, on the blade there is a saying that someone started to grind off. It gets me to wonder what it said and why someone would do that.

Battara · 19th March 2013, 02:34 AM

There was a period of time when, from the Victorian era till the 1930s?, that collectors wanted every blade to be shiny. So many would grind and polish off blade engravings and inscriptions, to be nice and shiny. They would even nickel plate or chrome plate blades (as well as throw away scabbards

).

Angering but not surprising that many of these blades don't have scabbards and are ground down. In fact, 3 years ago, I knew of an idiot that chromed an American Civil War sword before selling it to a friend of mine.

Robert · 19th March 2013, 04:39 AM

Great finds FilAmfighter1, I especially like the Ilocos Norte kris sword. The kampilan is also very nice and I have been wanting to find one with that style of guard for my own collection. Looking at your photos the kris looks massive. Could you possibly post its dimensions for later reference? As for cleaning the rust. I wrap the blades of my items with rags, soak in WD40 and then wrap them in plastic bags to seal them and let set aside for a week or two to loosen the rust. DO NOT wrap the hilt, blade only. I then use 0000 steel wool and more WD40 to finish removing the rust. When done rinse off blade with solvent and dry. I then apply Ren wax and polish.

Best,
Robert

imas560 · 20th March 2013, 04:59 AM

Hello,
was wondering Robert what kind of solvent for the "When done rinse off blade with solvent and dry"? I have a couple of pieces that have rust spots that I would like to eliminate as they are a little aggresive.
thanks

Robert · 20th March 2013, 05:56 AM

Hello Imas560, I use Hoppe's No. 9 gun solvent but any good gun solvent would work. Hope that this is of some help.

Best,
Robert

imas560 · 20th March 2013, 08:13 AM

Hello Robert,
had a quick look at my gun cleaning stuff and there's a small half filled bottle of Hoppes No. 9 "Powder Solvent" as well as some "Tetra Gun Copper Solvent".
If I remember correctly the tetra solvent is great for filthy lead caked barrels and for stripping the arse out of all it touches, so I'll keep that in its own little haz substance area. Do you dilute the Hoppes or apply full strength to rag and wipe down blade?
I also found an un-opened pottle of some Renaissance wax polish I'd been saving for a special occasion so I'm raring to go.
thanks for your help

Robert · 20th March 2013, 08:26 AM

Full strength on a clean rag.

Best,
Robert

17th March 2013, 01:51 AM	#1
FilAmfighter1 Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Torrance Posts: 49	My two newest additions-Filipino Blades I found and old guy who was vet, and had these old blades sitting at his place. I got the two for good price. The story goes they were brought back by a couple of GIs after WW-II. Both are missing their scabbards. I would like to clean off the rust, what is the best way to clean and then restore these blades? Attached Images

17th March 2013, 02:56 AM	#2
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	Rust removal A very easy method of rust removal is to soak blade in pineapple juice. Juice from supermarket and plastic pipe of suitable diam to take the blade, with one end sealed off. End of pipe serves to hold hilt with blade suspended in the juice. This method does not damage the blade in any way. Stu

19th March 2013, 01:56 AM	#5
FilAmfighter1 Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Torrance Posts: 49	The Kampulan Guard I can post so more pictures on the hand guard, if it would help, on the blade there is a saying that someone started to grind off. It gets me to wonder what it said and why someone would do that.

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17th March 2013, 12:45 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Nice kampilan and Luzon "kris"/sword. Great find. I personally would use very fine sand paper in combination with oil or WD 40. Pineapple juice will do the job as well but the blades will get a rough and "grey" surface and you will need the sanding after this also. And the sanding will have the effect that the blade don't lose the antique look. I have done it for example in this way by this blade: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16673 Regards, Detlef

17th March 2013, 10:36 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Until I have further evidence, I think your Luzon sword maybe from Ilocos Norte region. The kampilan is not rare, but certainly not that common either, based on the style of the less seen guard.

19th March 2013, 02:34 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	There was a period of time when, from the Victorian era till the 1930s?, that collectors wanted every blade to be shiny. So many would grind and polish off blade engravings and inscriptions, to be nice and shiny. They would even nickel plate or chrome plate blades (as well as throw away scabbards ). Angering but not surprising that many of these blades don't have scabbards and are ground down. In fact, 3 years ago, I knew of an idiot that chromed an American Civil War sword before selling it to a friend of mine.

19th March 2013, 04:39 AM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Great finds FilAmfighter1, I especially like the Ilocos Norte kris sword. The kampilan is also very nice and I have been wanting to find one with that style of guard for my own collection. Looking at your photos the kris looks massive. Could you possibly post its dimensions for later reference? As for cleaning the rust. I wrap the blades of my items with rags, soak in WD40 and then wrap them in plastic bags to seal them and let set aside for a week or two to loosen the rust. DO NOT wrap the hilt, blade only. I then use 0000 steel wool and more WD40 to finish removing the rust. When done rinse off blade with solvent and dry. I then apply Ren wax and polish. Best, Robert

20th March 2013, 04:59 AM	#8
imas560 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 180	Hello, was wondering Robert what kind of solvent for the "When done rinse off blade with solvent and dry"? I have a couple of pieces that have rust spots that I would like to eliminate as they are a little aggresive. thanks

20th March 2013, 05:56 AM	#9
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Imas560, I use Hoppe's No. 9 gun solvent but any good gun solvent would work. Hope that this is of some help. Best, Robert

20th March 2013, 08:13 AM	#10
imas560 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 180	Hello Robert, had a quick look at my gun cleaning stuff and there's a small half filled bottle of Hoppes No. 9 "Powder Solvent" as well as some "Tetra Gun Copper Solvent". If I remember correctly the tetra solvent is great for filthy lead caked barrels and for stripping the arse out of all it touches, so I'll keep that in its own little haz substance area. Do you dilute the Hoppes or apply full strength to rag and wipe down blade? I also found an un-opened pottle of some Renaissance wax polish I'd been saving for a special occasion so I'm raring to go. thanks for your help

20th March 2013, 08:26 AM	#11
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Full strength on a clean rag. Best, Robert