The Omani Shamshiir.

Jim McDougall · 20th February 2013, 11:20 PM

Absolutely brilliant discourse you guys! I really like this...keeping a sense of humor even in conflict, and both working to keep the thread on track!!
Thank you both!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 21st February 2013, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Absolutely brilliant discourse you guys! I really like this...keeping a sense of humor even in conflict, and both working to keep the thread on track!!
Thank you both!

Salaams Jim McDougall~ No conflict with Atlantia at all... matter of fact its a great pleasure. The real work, for me, on Shamshiirs will begin once I can get into the Museums next week. I note that Whimperial Arms are showing some Shamshiir in their auctions. Once they have cleared I'm sure we can ingest the pictures into library.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Atlantia · 21st February 2013, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Absolutely brilliant discourse you guys! I really like this...keeping a sense of humor even in conflict, and both working to keep the thread on track!!
Thank you both!

You're a gentleman Jim

Thank you.

It's those who gently disagree with our theories who keep us all grounded... So I count myself blessed indeed that people so often disagree with mine!

I totally echo Ibrahiim's words when he says that there is no conflict between us and I enjoy debating with someone so passionate about their field of study.

I'm sure Ibrahiim knows that my gentle teasing is meant in good humour.
...As I hope does everyone else who recieves it

Best
Gene

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 27th December 2013, 02:36 PM

Salaams all Note to Library... More pictures..of Shamshiir...plus a little sketch of the Palace at Zanzibar.... for atmosphere...

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.[QUOTE]

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 28th December 2013, 04:04 PM

Salaams.. Note to Library ... Logically (always a dangerous word in ethnographics).. If you move around the Indian Ocean more examples of Omani Shamshir ought to be present. The reason being that Oman owned a fair slice of territories in the 19th Century having really first started expanding militarily after deposing the Portuguese from Muscat in 1650... They quickly followed up and expelled them from Zanzibar 2 years later.

Thus I present the Comoros Shamshir..

The COMOROS Islands~Small Islands between the Northern tip of Madagascar and mainland Africa. The Comoro Islands or Comoros (Shikomori Komori; Arabic جزر القمر Juzur al-Qamar; French Les Comores) form an archipelago of volcanic islands situated off the south-east coast of Africa, to the east of Mozambique and north-west of Madagascar. They are divided between the sovereign state of the Comoros and the French overseas department of Mayotte. The islet of Banc du Geyser and the Glorioso Islands are sometimes included as part of the archipelago.

Amongst the photos is an interesting coin which could be entitled the Ethnographic Arms Coin !! since it is awash with weapons.
The Shamshir is well documented in the pictures.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 29th December 2013, 06:09 PM

Salaams~ Note to Library. Another Shamshir. The Sword of Henry Morton Stanley (of Livingstone Fame..) was presented to Stanley by non other than Sultan Bargash of Zanzibar in his final days. I note it went under the hammer at Quisties London for a reasonable sum recently.

Below~Bargash shown in a photo and a sketch with his Shamshir and the one he gave away, presented to Stanley whose portrait is also shown.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 30th December 2013, 06:27 PM

Salaams All ~Just to focus on ...The Omani Shamshir.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 8th January 2014, 04:45 PM

Salaams All...I went searching for Omani Shamshir of any description perhaps presented to visitors or whatever.. and found this peculiar double presentation of a Yatagan and a Shamshir...to the same person. and Described by the Auctioneer Thomas Del Mar (hammer price recieved) as...

Quote"THE GILT-BRASS MOUNTED SHAMSHIR PRESENTED TO
SIR CORNWALLIS RICKETTS BY THE IMAM OF MUSCAT
AND SULTAN OF ZANZIBAR, CIRCA 1845.

With curved blade double-edged towards the point, etched
and gilt with celestial motifs within a panel over the forte
on each side (worn), gilt-brass hilt cast with scroll work
enclosing expanded flower heads in low relief, comprising
cross-piece with fluted terminals, a pair of langets, and
integral grip rising to the pommel, in its original leather
covered wooden scabbard, with large gilt-brass mounts
comprising locket and chape chased with flowers and
foliage and a pair of suspension mounts decorated with
masks in the French taste; together with
A TURKISH SILVER-GILT MOUNTED YATAGHAN, 19TH CENTURY".Unquote.

I have to say I found this very odd since it is a Shamshir but not in the Omani style but in the French... and presented to an Englishman!

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

27th December 2013, 02:36 PM	#4
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams all Note to Library... More pictures..of Shamshiir...plus a little sketch of the Palace at Zanzibar.... for atmosphere... Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.[QUOTE] Attached Images

28th December 2013, 04:04 PM	#5
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams.. Note to Library ... Logically (always a dangerous word in ethnographics).. If you move around the Indian Ocean more examples of Omani Shamshir ought to be present. The reason being that Oman owned a fair slice of territories in the 19th Century having really first started expanding militarily after deposing the Portuguese from Muscat in 1650... They quickly followed up and expelled them from Zanzibar 2 years later. Thus I present the Comoros Shamshir.. The COMOROS Islands~Small Islands between the Northern tip of Madagascar and mainland Africa. The Comoro Islands or Comoros (Shikomori Komori; Arabic جزر القمر Juzur al-Qamar; French Les Comores) form an archipelago of volcanic islands situated off the south-east coast of Africa, to the east of Mozambique and north-west of Madagascar. They are divided between the sovereign state of the Comoros and the French overseas department of Mayotte. The islet of Banc du Geyser and the Glorioso Islands are sometimes included as part of the archipelago. Amongst the photos is an interesting coin which could be entitled the Ethnographic Arms Coin !! since it is awash with weapons. The Shamshir is well documented in the pictures. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 29th December 2013 at 12:25 PM.

29th December 2013, 06:09 PM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams~ Note to Library. Another Shamshir. The Sword of Henry Morton Stanley (of Livingstone Fame..) was presented to Stanley by non other than Sultan Bargash of Zanzibar in his final days. I note it went under the hammer at Quisties London for a reasonable sum recently. Below~Bargash shown in a photo and a sketch with his Shamshir and the one he gave away, presented to Stanley whose portrait is also shown. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 29th December 2013 at 06:20 PM.

30th December 2013, 06:27 PM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams All ~Just to focus on ...The Omani Shamshir. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images

8th January 2014, 04:45 PM	#8
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams All...I went searching for Omani Shamshir of any description perhaps presented to visitors or whatever.. and found this peculiar double presentation of a Yatagan and a Shamshir...to the same person. and Described by the Auctioneer Thomas Del Mar (hammer price recieved) as... Quote"THE GILT-BRASS MOUNTED SHAMSHIR PRESENTED TO SIR CORNWALLIS RICKETTS BY THE IMAM OF MUSCAT AND SULTAN OF ZANZIBAR, CIRCA 1845. With curved blade double-edged towards the point, etched and gilt with celestial motifs within a panel over the forte on each side (worn), gilt-brass hilt cast with scroll work enclosing expanded flower heads in low relief, comprising cross-piece with fluted terminals, a pair of langets, and integral grip rising to the pommel, in its original leather covered wooden scabbard, with large gilt-brass mounts comprising locket and chape chased with flowers and foliage and a pair of suspension mounts decorated with masks in the French taste; together with A TURKISH SILVER-GILT MOUNTED YATAGHAN, 19TH CENTURY".Unquote. I have to say I found this very odd since it is a Shamshir but not in the Omani style but in the French... and presented to an Englishman! Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 8th January 2014 at 05:04 PM.

20th February 2013, 11:20 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,191	Absolutely brilliant discourse you guys! I really like this...keeping a sense of humor even in conflict, and both working to keep the thread on track!! Thank you both!

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