Bali ceremonial knife

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Battara

Ok, so this one I have was also used for funeral services as well?

I know it is ceremonial and like the one in your pictures above. Also there is heavily silver koftgari on both sides.

Hello Jose,

yes, I think so.

[Sajen]

Just received the second mail:

Dear Detlef,
the form or the style also the size of the tiuk pengentas can be different but he purpose is the same, they can make more beautiful with ukiran or just a simple one, of course the rich people or king family will make it a nice one, but we cannot say that the good knife is for king family or high caste, everybody can have a good or a simple one as they like.
kindly regards,
Ketut Karang

So it's relatively simple why there are different styles found from the tiuk pengentas and no special reason why are found inlaid blades with which ornament or "monster head".

Regards,

Detlef

[Battara]

Great information and contacts, right from the horse's mouth so to speak.

Thank you.

[VVV]

Detlef,

Are you sure that your Balinese friend responded to the same knife that was originally posted on this thread?
To me it seems like he describes the axe, not the knife?
Except my picture from the Klungkung Palace here is another reference

http://pande.balidenpasartrading.com...p?ipn=21&top=9

And below from an earlier thread from the Denpasar museum.

I tried Leiden but unfortunately they don't have any domestic name on it.
Michael

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by VVV

Detlef,

Are you sure that your Balinese friend responded to the same knife that was originally posted on this thread?
To me it seems like he describes the axe, not the knife?
Except my picture from the Klungkung Palace here is another reference

http://pande.balidenpasartrading.com...p?ipn=21&top=9

And below from an earlier thread from the Denpasar museum.

I tried Leiden but unfortunately they don't have any domestic name on it.
Michael

Hello Michael,

I have send him the link from this thread to read and asked him for opinion and received the first mail about the use. After this I asked him, if there are different meanings/uses by the shown knifes in this thread and received the second mail. He have a good knowledge about Bali keris and collect them and live very traditionally. I will ask him further questions about this point again.

Regards,

Detlef

[VVV]

Thanks Detlef,

I didn't doubt his cultural knowledge, only if he responded to the same pictures based on the museum information. Quit often curators are wrong about artifacts coming from the outside but usually they know about their own culture.

Michael

[Sajen]

Here a further answer I received. I asked him if there are different purpose for the knifes and axe similar ones and about the different names.

Tiuk pengentas has some different size, the smaller one normally we called "tiuk pengentas" the purpose is for light use, like cut the rope and similar, but we also has a bigger one we call it "blakas pengentas", this is for a strong use like cutting the bamboo or other hard thing on the ceremony, actually the purpose is the same only there are many knife craftman make their art design on this kind of knife, as you know that in Bali we make everything with "ukiran" and touch of art and always try to make as good as we can.
kindly regards,
Ketut Karang