A fine Hausa dagger with Rhino hilt

Gavin Nugent · 4th May 2012, 11:59 AM

Having shared this with a couple of members I thought other might like to view this piece.

A large, fine and well preserved Rhino hilted Hausa dagger for discussion.

The sheath is well constructed with fine croc skin and tooled leather.
The hilt is cut from the dark centre of the horn with the reverse being nearly black.
The flared section of the hilt that joins the blade is about 8mm tall and is a seperate piece of horn.
The blade shows numerous designs to one side and few to the reverse.

Whilst Hausa daggers are not uncommon, I can not recall seeing another Rhino hilted dagger of this type.

Gav

Martin Lubojacky · 4th May 2012, 04:59 PM

Hi Gavin,

I would say, because of the hilt, that this dagger is comming from Sudan - I mean from what is now the Republic of the Sudan - myabe from Darfur ?? (not Sudan meant as the Sahel region even in the West Africa, and probably also not new South Sudan). Also from this reason I am not convinced it is Hausa dagger. The style of the blade and especially the sheath is relatively common for nearly the whole Sahel region, but the hilt is very specific and unique. I am very interested in other forumites´opinion.

Regards,

martin

Tim Simmons · 4th May 2012, 05:43 PM

Agreed South Sudan.

Martin Lubojacky · 4th May 2012, 05:50 PM

BTW, envy, envy...
You are lucky to have such dagger. Congratulations
Martin

TVV · 4th May 2012, 07:23 PM

Nothing to add other than congratulations on what is a beautiful dagger in its entirety. When it comes to Sahelian daggers, I do not think it gets much better than this one.
Teodor

VANDOO · 4th May 2012, 07:46 PM

A REAL BEAUTY.

FIRST RATE ALL THE WAY, GREAT BLADE WITH DESIGNS EXCEPTIONALLY WELL MADE SCABBARD WITH GREAT DESIGNS, AND TO TOP IT OFF A VERY WELL SHAPED RHINO HANDLE. IT DOSEN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT. CONGRADULATIONS AND THANKS FOR SHOWING IT.

Gavin Nugent · 5th May 2012, 09:13 AM

Thanks chaps.

Attached is an over exposed image of the reverse and an image of the black heart of Rhino horn.

It is interesting that the hilt profile is the classic Luristan dagger and shortsword type.

I would certainly like to explore the aspects that draw the Sudan and South Sudan regions as a point of origin.

Martin, thank your the congrats. When mentioning the hilt, is it the hilt profile of the hilt material that helps your conclusions? Tim, please do offer more too if possible. I ask as the trade throughout the Sahel is massive and near impossible to grasp in its entirity.

Teodor, Barry, thanks

As a note, not that I'd expect it to be used as such but it makes for an interesting long push dagger with this hilt.

Thanks

Gav

colin henshaw · 5th May 2012, 10:21 AM

Hi Gav

Very nice dagger, especially with the sheath. As already stated by others, its from Southern Sudan (Darfur ?). From memory I think there is one illustrated in the Oldman Collection book and the Egerton book.

Regards.

Gavin Nugent · 5th May 2012, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin henshaw

Hi Gav

Very nice dagger, especially with the sheath. As already stated by others, its from Southern Sudan (Darfur ?). From memory I think there is one illustrated in the Oldman Collection book and the Egerton book.

Regards.

Indeed you are correct with your references Colin, thank you for providing them. Egerton notes it as bought in Assouan and being used in Kordofan....not a reference I thought to turn to.

Thanks

Gav

Sajen · 5th May 2012, 12:21 PM

Hello Gav,

what a beauty!

Not my field of collecting but when I see such a nice dagger I am in case of doubt!

Regards,

Detlef

Martin Lubojacky · 5th May 2012, 03:16 PM

Material is material - could be expensive, cheap, rare etc..... But I was thinking about the hilt profile. This is just empiric experience -I saw such hilts profile very seldom, always only on pictures, never "in natura", and usually described as rare - and always more expensive than other daggers or short swords from Sudan. From this I would say that this dagger was used by smaller comunity than Hausa or Tebbu or others(generally that the number of such daggers produced was smaller/?)Regards,
Martin

colin henshaw · 5th May 2012, 07:30 PM

After a bit of searching I managed to dig out this old image of another, but longer, example of this type of dagger, for comparison.

Regards.

Martin Lubojacky · 22nd May 2012, 11:20 AM

I have shown the picture to the native Sudenese and he consulted it with his friend - collector in Sudan. Based on this the daggers with such hilt were used during the "Mahdia times" and they are comming from what is North Kordofan now (North Kordofan as one of the States of the Republic of the Sudan ("north Sudan")).

Lew · 22nd May 2012, 10:28 PM

Here is an ivory hilted one which is probably mid 20th century for comparison. It's not as nice as Gav's

4th May 2012, 11:59 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	A fine Hausa dagger with Rhino hilt Having shared this with a couple of members I thought other might like to view this piece. A large, fine and well preserved Rhino hilted Hausa dagger for discussion. The sheath is well constructed with fine croc skin and tooled leather. The hilt is cut from the dark centre of the horn with the reverse being nearly black. The flared section of the hilt that joins the blade is about 8mm tall and is a seperate piece of horn. The blade shows numerous designs to one side and few to the reverse. Whilst Hausa daggers are not uncommon, I can not recall seeing another Rhino hilted dagger of this type. Gav Attached Images

5th May 2012, 09:13 AM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	The black heart Thanks chaps. Attached is an over exposed image of the reverse and an image of the black heart of Rhino horn. It is interesting that the hilt profile is the classic Luristan dagger and shortsword type. I would certainly like to explore the aspects that draw the Sudan and South Sudan regions as a point of origin. Martin, thank your the congrats. When mentioning the hilt, is it the hilt profile of the hilt material that helps your conclusions? Tim, please do offer more too if possible. I ask as the trade throughout the Sahel is massive and near impossible to grasp in its entirity. Teodor, Barry, thanks As a note, not that I'd expect it to be used as such but it makes for an interesting long push dagger with this hilt. Thanks Gav Attached Images Last edited by freebooter; 5th May 2012 at 09:39 AM.

5th May 2012, 07:30 PM	#12
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	After a bit of searching I managed to dig out this old image of another, but longer, example of this type of dagger, for comparison. Regards. Attached Images

22nd May 2012, 10:28 PM	#14
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Here is an ivory hilted one which is probably mid 20th century for comparison. It's not as nice as Gav's Attached Images

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4th May 2012, 04:59 PM	#2
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 841	Hi Gavin, I would say, because of the hilt, that this dagger is comming from Sudan - I mean from what is now the Republic of the Sudan - myabe from Darfur ?? (not Sudan meant as the Sahel region even in the West Africa, and probably also not new South Sudan). Also from this reason I am not convinced it is Hausa dagger. The style of the blade and especially the sheath is relatively common for nearly the whole Sahel region, but the hilt is very specific and unique. I am very interested in other forumites´opinion. Regards, martin

4th May 2012, 05:43 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Agreed South Sudan.

4th May 2012, 05:50 PM	#4
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 841	BTW, envy, envy... You are lucky to have such dagger. Congratulations Martin

4th May 2012, 07:23 PM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,621	Nothing to add other than congratulations on what is a beautiful dagger in its entirety. When it comes to Sahelian daggers, I do not think it gets much better than this one. Teodor

4th May 2012, 07:46 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A REAL BEAUTY. FIRST RATE ALL THE WAY, GREAT BLADE WITH DESIGNS EXCEPTIONALLY WELL MADE SCABBARD WITH GREAT DESIGNS, AND TO TOP IT OFF A VERY WELL SHAPED RHINO HANDLE. IT DOSEN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT. CONGRADULATIONS AND THANKS FOR SHOWING IT.

5th May 2012, 10:21 AM	#8
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	Hi Gav Very nice dagger, especially with the sheath. As already stated by others, its from Southern Sudan (Darfur ?). From memory I think there is one illustrated in the Oldman Collection book and the Egerton book. Regards.

5th May 2012, 12:21 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Hello Gav, what a beauty! Not my field of collecting but when I see such a nice dagger I am in case of doubt! Regards, Detlef

5th May 2012, 03:16 PM	#11
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 841	Material is material - could be expensive, cheap, rare etc..... But I was thinking about the hilt profile. This is just empiric experience -I saw such hilts profile very seldom, always only on pictures, never "in natura", and usually described as rare - and always more expensive than other daggers or short swords from Sudan. From this I would say that this dagger was used by smaller comunity than Hausa or Tebbu or others(generally that the number of such daggers produced was smaller/?)Regards, Martin

22nd May 2012, 11:20 AM	#13
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 841	I have shown the picture to the native Sudenese and he consulted it with his friend - collector in Sudan. Based on this the daggers with such hilt were used during the "Mahdia times" and they are comming from what is North Kordofan now (North Kordofan as one of the States of the Republic of the Sudan ("north Sudan")).