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Old 11th August 2011, 12:18 AM   #1
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hey guys! Im Mike, im new here and I would like to show you photos of my collection but I am unsure how to post them, anyone know?
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Old 11th August 2011, 09:47 PM   #2
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Hi Mike, welcome. Most pics are 'too large' to put directly on this forum so you'l have to 'resize'them (amount pixels); I'm using very easy Irfan view to do this. Its a picture-management-program you have to/can download free. So . . .just google to upload Irfan view (just need the one with the red splashed cat-icon).

When downloaded the program, open the pic(s) with Irfan view (right mouseclick), choose [image] top left and the rest will follow . . .(choose the smallest/littlest size; still good qlty)

It sound much -it did to me- but when this program is downloaded resizing is easy and the Irfan view actually does much more (edit pics in all kind of ways)

Hope it helps?! This is the way I did it. Succes and hope to see your collectionpics soon.
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Old 11th August 2011, 10:22 PM   #3
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Thanks Indianajones, this will help me as well. Udo
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Old 11th August 2011, 11:04 PM   #4
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Links to photo hosting sites are discouraged; please upload your images to the database .

Follow this link for uploading info :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13631
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Old 12th August 2011, 02:12 AM   #5
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here are my babies, I believe I have 2 african masai semes, 1 black sea yataghan, 1 indian tulwar, 1 possibly bhutanese longsword, 1 german longswordmade by jj runkell in solingen germany, and some bayonets.. I have no idea what the guns are, anyone know?
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Old 12th August 2011, 07:43 AM   #6
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Hi Mike and Welcome to the Forum.
The blades I will leave to those who know more about them........ but the guns..........The pics do not show detail but from what I can see the cartridge revolver looks like a Colt Lightning. The left hand pistol with the ring trigger and what looks like a bell mouth barrel is like either American or Continental in origin. The double barrel percussion pistol I would say is also continental in origin and likely Belgian. Better pics would be helpful showing any marks or names. If you could please post those I may be able to better identify the items.
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Old 12th August 2011, 08:04 AM   #7
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The seme's are cool. really long and narrow. I like that style.

Oh, and welcome ofcourse on the forum

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Old 12th August 2011, 05:17 PM   #8
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Hi lpa2000,
welcome to the forum. I would suggest that the guns, the Runkel blade and the bayonets be posted seperately on the European Forum.

The Seme's , tulwar, yataghan and longsword would be better posted individually in 4 posts on Ethnographic. This will ensure a better response for you.

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Old 12th August 2011, 05:46 PM   #9
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Hi Mike,

Welcome to the forum - that's a beautiful Black Sea yat...

With regards to the bayonets, I see, clockwise from the top-left, a Danish Mauser, a British P1888 (top-right), a British No. 4 spike bayonet (from WWII), and what appears to be a cruciform socket bayonet, which limits it to one of several patterns... Not sure which one exactly - it doesn't have the profile of a (Russian) Mosin Nagant socket bayonet... If you could post close-up pics of any stamps or marks on the last one, it would help.
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Old 12th August 2011, 06:41 PM   #10
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The bayonet on the left under the broadsword looks like a Swedish M1898 to me. Just like those who commented before me, I too would like to see the etnographic blades in more detail in separate threads.
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Old 12th August 2011, 06:43 PM   #11
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Hard to tell for sure from the photo, but the lanyard ring in the butt, protruding front trigger guard screw, two-piece wood(?) grips and unusually shaped cylinder pin suggest the revolver may be a Spanish copy of the Colt Single Action Army. Any markings would be helpful for a better identification.
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Old 12th August 2011, 07:28 PM   #12
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From the top

2 simis Massai
1 kaskara blade
1 black sea yataghan
1 tulwar and some type of Tibetan sword? All nice examples .
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Old 12th August 2011, 07:58 PM   #13
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The bayonet on the left under the broadsword looks like a Swedish M1898 to me. Just like those who commented before me, I too would like to see the etnographic blades in more detail in separate threads.
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You are absolutely correct. Not sure why I erroneously "knee jerk" those as Danish Mausers, but I did the same thing not once, but twice, within the past 2-3 months. Thanks for the correction...
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Old 12th August 2011, 08:04 PM   #14
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Hi LPA2000,

Welcome to the forums.

I'd like to see a thread about your black sea yataghan! They are beautiful and worthy of further investigation.

Congrats on a great collection,

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Old 12th August 2011, 09:43 PM   #15
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You are absolutely correct. Not sure why I erroneously "knee jerk" those as Danish Mausers, but I did the same thing not once, but twice, within the past 2-3 months. Thanks for the correction...
I mix up Mannlicher M88 and M95 bayonets all the time, and I have a dozen of them, so I can relate. The etnographic items are a lot more interesting than the bayos anyway.
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Old 12th August 2011, 11:11 PM   #16
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Thanks guys! ill take better pictures for sure! its nice to be among fellow weapon lovers, I worked like a dog finding these babies, and am going to post single threads about the more unique ones

Thanks for welcoming me! for those who didnt catch it my name is Mike
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Old 13th August 2011, 03:09 AM   #17
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The sword at the lower right may be an old Collins machete .
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Old 13th August 2011, 03:49 AM   #18
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Hello Mike and welcome to the forum. Again I'll go with Rick on this and say looks to be a Collins Engineer Type 1 Bolo machete Model No. 1005. Better pictures would help but it should have COLLINS & CO./HARTFORD/No. 1005 stamped into the blade. That is a very nice collection you have and I hope to see you post each item in its own thread.

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Old 13th August 2011, 04:53 AM   #19
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Mike, I'd like to join in welcoming you, and thank you for a great entry with this outstanding grouping. This is an excellent example of true collecting in that one does not need a huge collection, just discerningly selected examples representing diverse areas. Each of these has its own intriguing history, and I agree with those who have suggested putting each on thier own thread. I think you'll find that the ensuing detail from these will add some great perspective, and we all enjoy learning from every example shown here.

For example, the unusual heavy curved blade weapon at bottom, I honestly had no clue, but Rick astutely noted it was a Collins machete.....then Robert adds outstanding detail! In a single thread, others with focus on machetes can zero in on the thread and add more, and more examples turn up.

Personally I am intrigued by the German broadsword blade marked to J.J.Runkel. This blade is remarkably similar to blades that are found on Sudanese kaskaras in the latter 19th century, however J.J.Runkel marks suggest the opening years of the 19th century. Runkel was actually a London based German importer rather than a maker, and I believe these type blades were for military broadswords for Scottish units as well as the M1796 heavy cavalry officers dress swords. I'd like to see individual photos on this and the markings.

The Black Sea yataghan is a fascinating weapon, and has been the subject of many discussions here, and actually was finally identified somewhat conclusively as a Laz 'bichagi' used by these tribal groups in various Turkish regions from c.1850s ino the early 20th century. Under Black Sea yataghan on the 'search' feature here you will see some of these discussions. As Gene has well pointed out however, these have, like most weapons, a lot more to be learned about them.

The bayonets are often a tough call as they do often look so much alike and the basic forms were used by many countries over long periods, so many times the most subtle nuances are key to final ID. Similar dilemmas come up with firearms such as the Colt, which was produced in considerable numbers and as Berkeley has pointed out, sometimes by other countries. I have familiarity but little distinct knowledge on firearms, but have found that 'Man at Arms' magazine has been one of the most outstanding resources on guns around. I'm quite sure with thier huge corpus of material on Colts in thier issues since 1979, probably there is some detail on these Colts of M1877 form with the butt lanyard, possibly Spanish.

Again Mike, welcome, and very, very nice weapons..Thank you!

All the best,
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Hello Mike and welcome to the forum. Again I'll go with Rick on this and say looks to be a Collins Engineer Type 1 Bolo machete Model No. 1005. Better pictures would help but it should have COLLINS & CO./HARTFORD/No. 1005 stamped into the blade. That is a very nice collection you have and I hope to see you post each item in its own thread.

Robert
Marks on these are typically very faint, for some reason, and some were produced "sterile" (unmarked) for "black ops"
AFAIK no other manufacturer is known to have made them.
Interestingly these seem to be based on "machete filipiana" to which they bear a superficial resemblance (though being much heavier)
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