Interesting Golok for translation

[Atlantia]

Inscription side 1.
top right joins to bottom left:

[Atlantia]

inscription side 2.
Top right joins to bottom left:

[A.alnakkas]

Beautiful! Quranic verses on most (I think)

The first picture (its on reverse)

Its: Nasrun min allah wa fat'hun kareeb, Wa bashir al mu'mineen. Wa ma ramait ith ramait laken allah rama Which means : Close victory from God and close conquest, so give glad tidings to the believers. (then it moves to another quranic verse) If you have shot your bow, it is not you who have shot, but it is God.

Bottom inscription makes no sense to me except for the repeated "Ha Mim" which are 2 letters common in Quran that no one understands.

Will try to translate the other photo's soonish.


Alnakkas

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Beautiful! Quranic verses on most (I think)

The first picture (its on reverse)

Its: Nasrun min allah wa fat'hun kareeb, Wa bashir al mu'mineen. Wa ma ramait ith ramait laken allah rama Which means : Close victory from God and close conquest, so give glad tidings to the believers. (then it moves to another quranic verse) If you have shot your bow, it is not you who have shot, but it is God.

Bottom inscription makes no sense to me except for the repeated "Ha Mim" which are 2 letters common in Quran that no one understands.

Will try to translate the other photo's soonish.


Alnakkas

FANTASTIC!
Thanks Abdullatif.
If the date is 1945, could it be refering to the war do you think?
Best
Gene

[Amuk Murugul]

Hullo Gene,

This golok was made in a hurry. It is Soenda, from Priangan, Soemedang Regency. Many were made during Indonesia's struggle for independence. They were carried by Sajiddin (fighters prepared to die). These fighters were totally 'undrugged', except perhaps with religious conviction. Whole companies were known to have perished by say, attacking a tank with nothing more lethal than sharpened bamboo spears.
Quite a piece of Soenda/indo history!

As for the 'Ha Mim', I'd venture to say that it most likely, notionally, represents a rejoinder from the 'assemblage' akin to the 'halleluyah' or 'amen' after statements by a preacher in a Gospel church.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo Gene,

This golok was made in a hurry. It is Soenda, from Priangan, Soemedang Regency. Many were made during Indonesia's struggle for independence. They were carried by Sajiddin (fighters prepared to die). These fighters were totally 'undrugged', except perhaps with religious conviction. Whole companies were known to have perished by say, attacking a tank with nothing more lethal than sharpened bamboo spears.
Quite a piece of Soenda/indo history!

As for the 'Ha Mim', I'd venture to say that it most likely, notionally, represents a rejoinder from the 'assemblage' akin to the 'halleluyah' or 'amen' after statements by a preacher in a Gospel church.

Hi again Amuk.

Thank you so much for the background on this item.

That's really interesting, I have to admit that I know very little about how Indonesia gained her independance..

Your explanation makes perfect sense. I couldn't understand why such a careful and long inscription was put on such a 'basic' weapon.
Is it common to see long verses on these? Do you think the inscription from the other side of the blade is something more connected to the ideology of the political situation at that moment?

So the date of 1365 (1945) relates to the war for independance? I had just assumed it related to WW2.

Despite it's basic nature, would you regard it as an interesting (even desirable) item then?

Best
Gene

[Maurice]

This golok is older as the double one Gene.. ;-)

[Amuk Murugul]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi again Amuk.

Thank you so much for the background on this item.

That's really interesting, I have to admit that I know very little about how Indonesia gained her independance..

Your explanation makes perfect sense. I couldn't understand why such a careful and long inscription was put on such a 'basic' weapon.
Is it common to see long verses on these? Do you think the inscription from the other side of the blade is something more connected to the ideology of the political situation at that moment?

So the date of 1365 (1945) relates to the war for independance? I had just assumed it related to WW2.

Despite it's basic nature, would you regard it as an interesting (even desirable) item then?

Best
Gene

Hullo AGAIN Gene!

We have to stop meeting like this. People may begin to talk. My head is spinning; I feel as if I'm playing 'musical chairs'.

Length of verse is secondary to content/context. These blades would generally have been blessed by a doekoen or imam, depending on belief.
Scrap political ideology.....indos were largely politically-ignorant at that stage. Most were uneducated/illiterate in the Occidental sense.

The indo movement for independence started about 1920, with the military defeats of Russia by Japan. The 'physical' side was about 1942-1945.
Declaration of independence was 1945.

It is DEFINITELY NOT WORTH COLLECTING! Send it to me immediately and I WILL dispose of it! I promise (touch wood)!

Best,

[Dom]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Bottom inscription makes no sense to me except for the repeated "Ha Mim" which are 2 letters common in Quran that no one understands.

Akhi Lotfi
as "khawaja" (foreigner) what you are mentioned "Ha Mim"
these words sound to me what Muslims, but also Jews, Christians are saying when the finished theirs prayers;
- Amin, Amen ?? "so be as God wills"
could you comment, specially if I'm going on some wrong tracks

tahyiati lakum

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Dom

[A.alnakkas]

Akhi Dom,

The letters Ha mim are derived from Quran, There are numerous letters in the Quran such as "Ha mim Sad" and many others that arent yet encrypted. Ha Mim is also a name of a Quranic Surah.

These are not to be mistaken with Ameen which has roots in all semitic languages.

This will explain more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqatta%27at

[Dom]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Akhi Dom,

The letters Ha mim are derived from Quran, There are numerous letters in the Quran such as "Ha mim Sad" and many others that arent yet encrypted. Ha Mim is also a name of a Quranic Surah.

These are not to be mistaken with Ameen which has roots in all semitic languages.

This will explain more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqatta%27at

Choukhane galizan Lotfi
this night I will go to sleep less stupid than this morning when I waked-up

à +

Dom

[Atlantia]

I'm still hoping that someone can fill in the blanks where the translation is incomplete.
So a little BUMP, just in case