Tombak ( 1) Javanese ?

[danny1976]

Hi guys

Today i picked up a tombak with original shaft ( shortend )
It Is brought to Holland in 1902 by Henri de Chauvigny de Blot . He was a Resident of madura . I did purchase it direct out of the familly.

Hope some one can tel me some more ?
I have another one , i will post it later .

Total length 2.25 cm.
a nice detail. the shaft is round but the last part is carved different.


Regards,

Danny

[Nathaniel]

Beautiful spear! It's n great condition! Wonder what a clean up of the blade would revile. Thanks for sharing! I'll be interested to see what other info other forum members will add

[danny1976]

@ Nathaniel,

Thanks

I will clean and etch (warangan ) the blade in the summer.

[David]

Originally Posted by danny1976

@ Nathaniel,

Thanks

I will clean and etch (warangan ) the blade in the summer.

Yes, certainly needs some warangan. I look forward to seeing it stained. The ferrule (is there a traditional name for this part?) is beautiful.

[kronckew]

for a miniature it looks quite nicely detailed. getting all that detail into less than an inch is difficult

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by danny1976

@ Nathaniel,

Thanks

I will clean and etch (warangan ) the blade in the summer.

Hi Danny,

Very nice spear. Congratulations.

And that with that great provenance!!!!

Are you sure you would etch it with warangan?
Why don't you leave it, or give it a slicely etch with lemonjuice or hot vinegar?

Rg,
Maurice

[danny1976]

Hi Maurice ,

I believe there is something in youre collection soon with the
same provenance

About the etching ... i will wait until i realy know where the from, when the are
from Java i will give them the warangan treatment .
i they are from a other island maybe i just leave them in this state , not sure yet.

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by danny1976

Hi Maurice ,

I believe there is something in youre collection soon with the
same provenance

About the etching ... i will wait until i realy know where the from, when the are
from Java i will give them the warangan treatment .
i they are from a other island maybe i just leave them in this state , not sure yet.

Yes, I've something with the same provenance. It will be delivered personally 4th April probably, while enjoying a cup of coffee.
It's a rencong, simple but genuine!
The rencong needs some cleaning, the blade is rusted, and I'm looking forward to start with the work.

I decided to make a thread of it. Maybe some more pieces of this collection will show up here later on....
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13559

[A. G. Maisey]

David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong".

The butt of the spear shaft when covered with metal is called a "tunjung". The word "tunjung" actually means "lotus" and the tunjung on the end of spear shaft has a little lotus shaped metal knob on it that can be dug into the ground.

The correct terminology is "sopal", but in colloquial speech people very often call it a "brongsong".

Strictly speaking a brongsong is a case for any weapon, it is also a woven basket that we put around fruit when it is still on the tree to protect it, so it will not fall because of wind or ripeness and get damaged .

[danny1976]

[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong".

@ Mr Maisey . So can i conclude out of the words above that the spears are not from Java ? I.m not sure by myself because the metal of the tombak is verry
dense welded , and the top of the ''bronsong'' makes me hesitate also .

someone that has a idea ?

[A. G. Maisey]

Danny, the spear blade is not Javanese.

The beautiful shaft and sopal are unlike any old Javanese pieces that I have seen.

[danny1976]

@ mr Maisey , Thanks for answering.


I did some search last night in the database of the RMV and it,s diffecult to see on the photo,s but i have the feeling i could be atjeh ... but stil not sure.

[asomotif]

Danny,

Yes it loooks Atjeh or at least Sumatra.
I would not wrangan them.

I will post some pictures of Atjeh spears I have later this week.

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by danny1976

@ mr Maisey , Thanks for answering.


I did some search last night in the database of the RMV and it,s diffecult to see on the photo,s but i have the feeling i could be atjeh ... but stil not sure.

Danny, I too say Sumatra.
They both share the form of the silvered one in the Kelling Hall spears I have retained and in general, the spear heads are of Sumatran/Aceh form.

Originally Posted by asomotif

Danny,

Yes it loooks Atjeh or at least Sumatra.
I would not wrangan them.

I will post some pictures of Atjeh spears I have later this week.

Agreed, I would not Wrangan them.

Gav

[Sajen]

Hi Danny,

like I write by the other lance, very very nice. Another vote for not warangan but maybe an mild etch with vinegar.

Regards,

Detlef

[danny1976]

Everybody rhanks for the great joining in the discusion !!

Definitly no warangan for the spears , maybe a etch but maybe i just leave them like this .
For the compare i did ''steal'' a photo from the spears from kelling hal , hope this won,t be a problem.
It looks like they are probaly from atjeh , if this is so...i have a problem..i don,t have atjeh pieces, so have to find some then

@ Willem
I look forward to youre photo,s

Here the photo,s tpo compare the spear head , only the ferrules are still different

[Gavin Nugent]

Steal is such an ugly word Danny!

Gav

[danny1976]

@ Gav,

Yes you are right ......borrow is better

[asomotif]

Here 2 spears I have in my collection.
The shafts are round at the bottom and nar the top the are octagonal. made from dark wood.

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Here 2 spears I have in my collection.
The shafts are round at the bottom and nar the top the are octagonal. made from dark wood.

Thanks for sharing! I like those spears!
I started to collect swords, but nowadays I almost have as many lances and shields as I have swords... ;-)

[Sajen]

Here two fast taken pictures from a lance of my collection, probably from Atjeh. 230 cm long, end also octagonal and thicker from dark wood as well.

[danny1976]

@ Willen and Sajen,


Nice lance,s , thanks for sharring

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by danny1976

I did some search last night in the database of the RMV and it,s diffecult to see on the photo,s but i have the feeling i could be atjeh ... but stil not sure.

Hello Danny,
I also checked the RMV.
Difficult to say.
These might be Atjeh, but just the same it might be any other part of Sumatra. The ferrule is not specifically Atjeh, nor is the blade.
Blades like this one are also found on karo batak "lembing raja"
The octagonal wood might be the best indication pointing towards Atjeh at this moment

Still nice lances in very nice condition