Two Sumatran keris panjang of kapit construction

BluErf · 24th February 2011, 04:05 PM

In normal-sized kerises, kapit construction could have been used to re-use the remnants of an old blade (or to repair it). In the cases of these keris panjang, I'm not quite sure really... Maybe has something to do with the length of the blade such that it is easier to add the sor-soran area as a separate chunk of metal. I really don't know.

Gustav · 24th February 2011, 04:40 PM

Hi Blu Erf,

the second Panjang is really beautiful. On the first Panjang pamor on sorsoran looks like a Bintulu - mouth and one eye

, or in this case better o)

Probably there must be simply more material on sorsoran becouse of thickness of blade there. Additional material could be welded on (?), if it is not something like V from beginning - the first one looks like this.

Sajen · 24th February 2011, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

In normal-sized kerises, kapit construction could have been used to re-use the remnants of an old blade (or to repair it). In the cases of these keris panjang, I'm not quite sure really... Maybe has something to do with the length of the blade such that it is easier to add the sor-soran area as a separate chunk of metal. I really don't know.

Anyway, I am very thankful that you post your both panjang since this are the first other examples I see and I never know before that this is sometimes the case.

Regards,

Detlef

Gustav · 3rd March 2011, 11:55 PM

For those, who like me don't know the meaning of terminus Kapit, I have found in the archives these posts about Kapit construction:

DAHenkel
Senior Member posted 08-27-2002 20:35
Kapit is a Malay word that literally means to squeeze or press. The keris mata kapit is, as far as I know, a Pattani blade that is made from two pieces. The lower or dapur section is cut laterally to accept the upper portion of the blade. These are then usually pinned into place. I've only seen a few of these and I understand that they are very rare. I had posted pictures of my own example on the forum, unfortunately the pictures aren't loading. Perhaps Lee can restore these? Otherwise I will have to re-send them.

MpuSombro
Member posted 08-27-2002 23:46
You are perfectly right, DAHenkel. That`s the keris I was talking about. You`re right too, Paul. It is a medium short keris that looks like a keris Sula,penyalang. DAHenkel, since you own this kind of keris and you are a man of Malay keris, I would appreciate if you could tell me [function] why such keris was made in this form?

DAHenkel
Senior Member posted 08-28-2002 04:35
Actually I don't really know why these particular keris were made that way. Probably a variant on the trusty cuff weld - different composition metals for different performance at different parts of the blade. It's an attractive design too so its possible that these were done for aesthetic reasons as well. Another reason might have been to mount an old blade tip - perhaps a European sword - in keris form. Its possible all of these were valid reasons for doing it. My guess is as good as yours.

24th February 2011, 04:40 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Hi Blu Erf, the second Panjang is really beautiful. On the first Panjang pamor on sorsoran looks like a Bintulu - mouth and one eye , or in this case better o) Probably there must be simply more material on sorsoran becouse of thickness of blade there. Additional material could be welded on (?), if it is not something like V from beginning - the first one looks like this. Last edited by Gustav; 24th February 2011 at 04:55 PM.

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24th February 2011, 04:05 PM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	In normal-sized kerises, kapit construction could have been used to re-use the remnants of an old blade (or to repair it). In the cases of these keris panjang, I'm not quite sure really... Maybe has something to do with the length of the blade such that it is easier to add the sor-soran area as a separate chunk of metal. I really don't know.

3rd March 2011, 11:55 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	For those, who like me don't know the meaning of terminus Kapit, I have found in the archives these posts about Kapit construction: DAHenkel Senior Member posted 08-27-2002 20:35 Kapit is a Malay word that literally means to squeeze or press. The keris mata kapit is, as far as I know, a Pattani blade that is made from two pieces. The lower or dapur section is cut laterally to accept the upper portion of the blade. These are then usually pinned into place. I've only seen a few of these and I understand that they are very rare. I had posted pictures of my own example on the forum, unfortunately the pictures aren't loading. Perhaps Lee can restore these? Otherwise I will have to re-send them. MpuSombro Member posted 08-27-2002 23:46 You are perfectly right, DAHenkel. That`s the keris I was talking about. You`re right too, Paul. It is a medium short keris that looks like a keris Sula,penyalang. DAHenkel, since you own this kind of keris and you are a man of Malay keris, I would appreciate if you could tell me [function] why such keris was made in this form? DAHenkel Senior Member posted 08-28-2002 04:35 Actually I don't really know why these particular keris were made that way. Probably a variant on the trusty cuff weld - different composition metals for different performance at different parts of the blade. It's an attractive design too so its possible that these were done for aesthetic reasons as well. Another reason might have been to mount an old blade tip - perhaps a European sword - in keris form. Its possible all of these were valid reasons for doing it. My guess is as good as yours.