Square Line pattern Ilang

Sajen · 12th December 2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Ahhh Michael....i will be raiding your house sometime soon, i am sure...

I come with you, I am sure it's enough for both of us!

VVV · 12th December 2010, 08:38 PM

Your are both welcome.
But beware, I am well armed...

Michael

asomotif · 13th December 2010, 11:16 PM

Michael,

NW Borneo for sure, but I never know when I should start calling something Murut.

The square pattern is only on one side ?
Do you have close ups of the other decorations ?
Maybe the lines / squares are more a coastal influence from other parts of the archipelago

I have a hilt with similar features that has a imho chinese dragon carved.
That must be a coastal influence too, I assume.

Maurice · 14th December 2010, 12:08 AM

The Muruts and Dusun were living in the north east part of Borneo:Sabah, and not in the NW part of Borneo???
Or am I misreading something here?

Maurice

VVV · 14th December 2010, 06:51 AM

Maurice, to me the Western part of Sabah, like Marudu Bay, is NW Borneo

Willem, the square pattern is only on one side and the other side has a scroll motif. I don't recall a resembling motif from other parts of the archipelago but I am open for suggestions?
On yours the interesting dragon probably is a Chinese influence, as you suggested.

Michael

asomotif · 14th December 2010, 11:53 AM

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I don't recall a resembling motif from other parts of the archipelago but I am open for suggestions?

I was thinking of balinese offering knives / betelnutcutters
They have line work inlays. Not the same. but that is the closest link I can think of.

Gustav · 14th December 2010, 12:53 PM

Maybe is the square pattern an imitation on a plaiting pattern? These have been imitated on earthware, and I recall, in Solyoms Keris book there is a depiction of javanese pendoks with a plaited motif. Was it called "burning incense" on Java and have a protective meaning? I don't have this book, so I am not 100% sure.

13th December 2010, 11:16 PM	#3
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Michael, NW Borneo for sure, but I never know when I should start calling something Murut. The square pattern is only on one side ? Do you have close ups of the other decorations ? Maybe the lines / squares are more a coastal influence from other parts of the archipelago I have a hilt with similar features that has a imho chinese dragon carved. That must be a coastal influence too, I assume. Attached Images

14th December 2010, 06:51 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Maurice, to me the Western part of Sabah, like Marudu Bay, is NW Borneo Willem, the square pattern is only on one side and the other side has a scroll motif. I don't recall a resembling motif from other parts of the archipelago but I am open for suggestions? On yours the interesting dragon probably is a Chinese influence, as you suggested. Michael Attached Images

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12th December 2010, 08:38 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Your are both welcome. But beware, I am well armed... Michael

14th December 2010, 12:08 AM	#4
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,456	The Muruts and Dusun were living in the north east part of Borneo:Sabah, and not in the NW part of Borneo??? Or am I misreading something here? Maurice

14th December 2010, 12:53 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Maybe is the square pattern an imitation on a plaiting pattern? These have been imitated on earthware, and I recall, in Solyoms Keris book there is a depiction of javanese pendoks with a plaited motif. Was it called "burning incense" on Java and have a protective meaning? I don't have this book, so I am not 100% sure.