Bali Keris, original stain and other comments

David · 29th June 2010, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

The marks in the top of the gonjo may be bekas kinatah --- places where kinatah work was. Cannot say with certainty from a photo, but it looks like it.

That makes sense. What do you think about the 3-diamond pattern on the side of the gonjo and the base of the blade. Also a kinatah anchor?

A. G. Maisey · 29th June 2010, 02:51 PM

I do not know of a kinatah pattern that would use this.

I'd need to look at it under magnification to form a supportable opinion, but my impression is that it is the result of gripping with something like vicegrips to hold the gonjo in correct alignment while fitting a new key --- or maybe just aralditing.

Gustav · 29th June 2010, 07:09 PM

It seems, buntut of gonjo is broken where the third hole was situated (or fourth, if there should be one on sirah cecak side).

asomotif · 30th June 2010, 04:41 PM

Thanks all for your input and info.

Gustav, yes there is a fourth Kinatah (see pic 1)

Allan, why are you so often right ?

Closer inspecition indeed looks like grip marks on the blade (see pic 2)

Best regards,
Willem

A. G. Maisey · 30th June 2010, 10:20 PM

I'm not infrequently wrong too, Willem --- even though I've been playing with keris for just about 55 years now.

GIO · 1st July 2010, 07:44 PM

I agree: vice marks.
As to the marks on top of the ganja, I confess my ignorance.
Nice keris, though, my compliments

30th June 2010, 04:41 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,238	Thanks all for your input and info. Gustav, yes there is a fourth Kinatah (see pic 1) Allan, why are you so often right ? Closer inspecition indeed looks like grip marks on the blade (see pic 2) Best regards, Willem Attached Images

1st July 2010, 07:44 PM	#6
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 335	Bali keris I agree: vice marks. As to the marks on top of the ganja, I confess my ignorance. Nice keris, though, my compliments

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29th June 2010, 02:51 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,164	I do not know of a kinatah pattern that would use this. I'd need to look at it under magnification to form a supportable opinion, but my impression is that it is the result of gripping with something like vicegrips to hold the gonjo in correct alignment while fitting a new key --- or maybe just aralditing.

29th June 2010, 07:09 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,308	It seems, buntut of gonjo is broken where the third hole was situated (or fourth, if there should be one on sirah cecak side).

30th June 2010, 10:20 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,164	I'm not infrequently wrong too, Willem --- even though I've been playing with keris for just about 55 years now.