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Old 30th May 2010, 05:45 PM   #1
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Hello,
Someone can tell me what are the origines of this knife and the signification of the scripture engraved.
length 9,5 " OVL and 6,4" for the blade ( razor sharp)
the hilt is made with brass with horn incrustation.
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Old 30th May 2010, 09:11 PM   #2
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Do you also have the scabbard?
My first guess is a gaucho knive.
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Old 30th May 2010, 10:08 PM   #3
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Sorry but I don't have a scabbars .
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Old 30th May 2010, 10:37 PM   #4
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What language is inscribed on the blade ?

Yes .

I need cataract surgery .
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Old 31st May 2010, 12:58 AM   #5
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The language is undecipherable but I have 3 others pictures.
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Old 31st May 2010, 01:19 AM   #6
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Sorry can't read the handwriting to see what language...
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Old 31st May 2010, 01:46 AM   #7
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Well, it ain't Greek .
I'll guess that the language is Spanish judging from the blade profile .

Is the handle worn silver plating; or just plain brass ?
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Old 31st May 2010, 05:43 AM   #8
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Well, it ain't Greek .
I'll guess that the language is Spanish judging from the blade profile .

Is the handle worn silver plating; or just plain brass ?
Not a"gaucho" knife and couldn't decipher a single word of the engraving, but appears to have an Iberian/Mediterranean provenance. Would be good to have Fernando's take on it.

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Old 31st May 2010, 06:45 AM   #9
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As a guess, I think this knife may be French. The first word of the engraved inscription could be 'Messrs' (which could be French or English). The style of writing looks somehow French to me, reminds me of the engraved writing on the spine of Gras bayonets from 1879 etc. ....I have no idea really !
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Old 31st May 2010, 09:23 AM   #10
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Well, it ain't Greek .
I'll guess that the language is Spanish judging from the blade profile .

Is the handle worn silver plating; or just plain brass ?
The hilt is plain brass
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Old 31st May 2010, 05:04 PM   #11
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My first guess is a gaucho knive.
That was my initial reaction too, though from other posts preceding this one, it appears it most likely is not.

What about the linear engraving above the top line of script? Seems almost crude (as does the design work on the hilt IMO) - electric engraver, maybe? It would seem if it was done by hand, the top and bottom (engraved) lines would be more similar than they are - as it is, the bottom line looks like one continuous line, while the top line looks sporadic and 'choppy'...
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Old 31st May 2010, 07:20 PM   #12
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Here i am; better late than ever ... but with no helpful input, though .
I wouldn't reject the idea that it belongs to the Spanish universe; Mediterranean, like Chris feels.
Impossible (at least for me) to discern what is in the text; i don't have cataracts but glaucoma, instead .
Probably is one of these things you can only figure out at naked eye; sometimes pictures are frustrating .
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Old 31st May 2010, 07:32 PM   #13
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That was my initial reaction too, though from other posts preceding this one, it appears it most likely is not.

What about the linear engraving above the top line of script? Seems almost crude (as does the design work on the hilt IMO) - electric engraver, maybe? It would seem if it was done by hand, the top and bottom (engraved) lines would be more similar than they are - as it is, the bottom line looks like one continuous line, while the top line looks sporadic and 'choppy'...
You are right this is engraving by a hand held peddle or electric tool. It could be turn of the 19/20century. My dentist in the early 1960s had electric motors but the stuff was all belt driven.
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Old 31st May 2010, 07:38 PM   #14
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A text dedicated to english speaking tourists ?
Naaaah
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Old 31st May 2010, 07:45 PM   #15
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Hi,
i guess it may be german in a old way of handwriting called sütalin.
I cant read it in this pictures.
Last night will be "... nicht" which means ... not.
The first word is "Mein" = mine
If i get better pictures i can show it to my parents, perhaps they can read it.
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Old 31st May 2010, 08:59 PM   #16
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Hello,

junker is right, this is an old German or Austrian knife, which may have been once part of a wagoner's cutlery.
In this case the other parts would have been a matching fork, a spoon made of either wood or horn and probably a sharpening steel.
This kind of cutery was used in Germany and Austria from about late 18th to early 20th century.
The knife in particular looks like mid 19th century.
The writing is most probably Süterlin, altough I cannot read it.
Modern reproductions can be seen here:

http://www.fuhrmannsbesteck.de/

Greetings, Helge
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Old 31st May 2010, 09:05 PM   #17
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