Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > European Armoury
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
Old 20th November 2023, 12:27 AM   #1
Radboud
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 261
Default 'Rose' Mark on the spine of Solingen blades

Solingen in Germany has for a very long time been a major manufacturer and exporter of sword and knife blades. These blades were exported far and wide; sold to local cutlers who would mount them on hilts in the local fashions.

While some blades were visibly marked as having come from Solingen, others were not leaving us to make educated guesses of their origins based on decorations and styles.

Two common clues are the 'cartouche' on the ricasso and the presence of a "Rose" on the blade spine at the base. The Rose seams to have appeared in the latter half of the 18th Century and disappeared in the 1820s when the decoration styles changed as well.

Pawel Bartela askes if this change is related to the abolishment of guilds in 1809 by Napoleon:

Quote:
One of the Solingen marks on the back of the blade. Do you know sabers from the 1820s and later with such a sign? Does the end of the marking have anything to do with the dissolution of craftsmen's guilds in Solingen by Napoleon in 1809?
Decree of March 31, 1809 in Dutchy of Berg (Solingen). [https://wiki.genealogy.net/Patentensteuer_(Westfalen)
International Sword Collectors | Facebook Group

While I don't know the answer, it does appear from known examples that the Rose is missing from blades after the 1820s.

It should also be added that the makers at Solingen were very accommodating and happy to apply marks to their blades in line with their clients' needs. Examples of this are the blades imported by Runkel to the UK between 1780 and 1808. These are marked with his name prior to them being engraved and finished with blue and gilt decoration.

Below are examples of swords from my collection with Solingen made blades that pre-date the change in the 1820s:

French 'Cote de Melon' light cavalry officers' sabre:

Name:  Cote de Melon Light Cavalry Officers Sabre 05.jpg
Views: 13452
Size:  90.0 KB

Example of the Solingen Cartouche and 'talismanic' decorations
Name:  Cote de Melon Light Cavalry Officers Sabre 13.jpg
Views: 13248
Size:  287.1 KB

Going by the hilt style and blade decorations, I would date this sword to the 1780s.

"Rose" Mark
Name:  Cote de Melon Light Cavalry Officers Sabre 16.JPG
Views: 13323
Size:  1.05 MB

French 'Garde de Bataille' Heavy cavalry sword:
Name:  Carabinier Officers Sabre à Garde de Bataille 01.jpg
Views: 13158
Size:  388.0 KB

Cartouche and Solingen style Trophy of Arms:
Name:  Carabinier Officers Sabre à Garde de Bataille 17.jpg
Views: 13271
Size:  673.1 KB
Name:  Carabinier Officers Sabre à Garde de Bataille 19.jpg
Views: 13316
Size:  756.5 KB

Missing its blue and gilt.

Rose Mark
Name:  Carabinier Officers Sabre à Garde de Bataille 16.jpg
Views: 13229
Size:  125.7 KB

French Dragoon Officers 'Garde de Bataille'
Name:  IMG_2551.jpg
Views: 13254
Size:  37.3 KB

Cartouche
Name:  IMG_2494.jpg
Views: 13338
Size:  488.4 KB

Rose mark
Name:  IMG_2500.jpg
Views: 13195
Size:  367.9 KB
Radboud is offline   Reply With Quote
 


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.