Walang Sinudhuk

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Mans, the pamor in your thread seems from bonang rineteng style. In the book "Pamor Keris" there is another pamor with the same pattern (I put picture below)

Here i put also some "pictures" that well illustrate the confusion in my brain.
one from M. Roeslan book "dunia keris pusaka"
one from a pamor's book by Wibatsu Harianto
another from A. Zazuli book

Marco,
Let's try to straight things out (if possible).
1) Your 1st diagram, I don't think it's pamor pandan iras. Refer to Haryono's Keris Jawa, pg: 208, Fig: 4.32j = Walang Sinundukan, Fig: 4.32lk = Pandan Iras. It's different altogether, although the construction method are similar.

2) Your 2nd picture looks like pamor Gumbala Geni, to me... looks like "smoke rising", in abstract form.

3) and 4) pamor are same with the 1st pic. Same doesn't mean it's correct.
It just means that they copied from the same reference. Even the texts are the same, (Hidayat's eg from Pamor Keris, your 1st and 3rd pictures are the same)... (need to check what pamor is it, btw).

Imho, I guess these authors might have simply 'copy and paste' without much research.