1821 Variation for an Indian Officer Circa 1837?

[Cathey]

Hi Jim

Sorry can’t agree on the latter dating or German maker. I have a number of 1796 and early 1821 patterns (including a William 4th) and a 1796 beaked hilt and agree with the British collectors that this sword dates to 1815-21. The other obvious early indication is the stepped pommel, which by the 1880’s had lost the stepped effect and become more erect and actually appear rather stumpy to me.

Having the advantage of being able to put this one between the 1796 and the William the 4th has further convinced me of the earlier date put forward by a number of British specialist collectors. The other two forums I posted this on where able to provide examples similar to mine and the absence of the thumb ring has also enforced the transitional view point. I have one early German sword in my collection, however this sword really does not appear to have anything in common with those I have seen of German manufacture, so at this stage I remain convinced it is British.

I have attached a picture that includes four of my swords from that era including this one. From the bottom is the 1796 Beaked pommel, 1796 Quill Point, the 1821 being discussed and the 1821 William IV. The William sword still has its thumb guard and the blade is almost straight. I have also attached a picture of an 1821 that dates to the 1880s to demonstrate what I call a stumpy pommel.

The Cross at the Ricasso is interesting though and like you I thought it might have a Scottish connection. I did show the scrip to an Indian chap I work with and he did not believe it was Indian rather that it might be Persian, however I think it is probably just decoration.

Cheers Cathey