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OK Ian, pictures of a Dayak ear ring. Carved from hornbill about 4 inches long.
I love the Dayak art. I am getting a new book about how the Dayak put so much importance in their art that: "He [the author] shows how art was used as a pre-literate scholastic aptitude test to ensure intelligent Iban married other intelligent Iban to increase the likelihood that their children were intelligent and were more likely to prosper. Women also chose men on the basis of their prowess at war to ensure the household, physically, was secure. That meant heads and headhunting." http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=UTF8&v=glance Comments? |
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Thanks Bill.
Gorgeous piece of carving. I really enjoy the Dayak work. Ian. |
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Hi the Iban book is not yet on the market it will take a few weeks before it is ready it is not printed yet
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Dear All,
Are there collectors that have real old ear-rings made from Hornbill ivory ? Enclosed some that I have collected about 5 years ago. Now I am slowly finding out that these are recently cut, as they turn up everywhere, also on ebay and sometimes even for ridiculous low prices. Anyway it looks like most are made too recent to be healthy for the Hornbiil population in Borneo. Any expertise amongst us on age of these pieces ? Thanks, willem |
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THE HORNBILL IVORY HAS BEEN IN DEMAND FOR A VERY LONG TIME THE CHINESE TRADERS WERE FOND OF IT LONG AGO. I SUSPECT THAT THESE DAYS THE DEMAND FOR HORNBILL ITEMS IS NOT AS HIGH AS IT WAS IN THE PAST AS THE LOCAL POPULATIONS DON'T WEAR THEM MUCH ANYMORE. I DOUBT THAT THE NUMBER OF HORNBILL EARING COLLECTORS TODAY ARE AS GREAT AS THE DEMAND OF THE ORIGINAL TRIBES IN THE PAST. I KNOW THE HORNBILL AND ARGUS PHESANT FEATHERS ARE STILL IN DEMAND FOR CEREMONIAL OCCASIONS BUT THESE CAN BE MORE EFFECIENTLY GATHERED BY RAISING THE BIRDS FOR THE FEATHERS THAN BY KILLING THEM. SO I WOULD IMAGINE LOSS OF HABITAT AND FOOD SOURCES MAY BE MORE OF A DANGER TO THE BIRDS TODAY THAN THE FASHON OF WEARING THE EARRINGS. I COULD BE WRONG BUT LACKING ANY STUDIES ON THE SUBJECT IT WOULD BE MY BEST GUESS.
![]() HERE IS AN OLD PICTURE OF HORNBILL EARRINGS BEING WORN, AND THE HEAVY BRASS ONES BEING WORN. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() Are we talking about "M. Heppell: Iban Art, Sexual Selection and Severed Heads"? That has been published in 2005, and already is mentioned in this forum before. Or is there a new publication on its way? Albert |
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Take a look at the first date Albert
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Thank you Ben, you woke me up.
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Thanks Vandoo for the info and pictures.
I checked google for info on this species and both loss of habitat and hunting are mentioned as a threat. Any more people with nice pictures of (old) earrings ? Any info maybe also on when they where allowed to wear them. Ps. Albert, sorry for waking you up ![]() I am new on the forum and just discovering some old interesting threads ![]() Best regards, Willem Ps. enclosed the sideviews of the earrings I have. |
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The first photo is a dayak from Sellato book "Hornbill & Dragon "
The second an ear ring from the same book The third photo are two my ear rings (one old ![]() The last are two photos I did in Bali to a ..(I think new).. hornbill skull (i didn't buy it because the stink of flash was terrific) |
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THE PICTURE OF THE HORNBILL SKULL IS GOOD AS IT SHOWS THE PART USED TO MAKE THE EARINGS I THINK IT IS CALLED THE CASKE, THE FRONT IS CARVED AND CUT OFF IN FRONT OF THE EYES AND THE UPPER BILL IS CUT DOWN AND CURVED TO FORM THE HOOK FOR THE EAR. THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT SPECIES OF HORNBILL IN THE AREA AND OTHERS ARE USED SOMETIMES BUT THIS TYPE IS THE PREFERRED ONE FOR DAYAK EARRINGS.
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THE DAYAKS ALSO ARE MASTER CARVERS OF HORN, WOOD,BONE AND ANTLER. I HAVE A FEW PICTURES OF CARVED SKULLS THAT I WILL SHARE HERE AS THEY ARE INTERESTING ALSO.
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Due to ongoing habitat lost and hunted in some areas, the Helmeted Hornbill is evaluated as Near Threatened on the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. It is listed on Appendix I of CITES.
If eBay realizes someone is trying to sell HB products, they will pull the ad. You can also get in trouble with US Customs trying to bring HB products into the US. I have a few other Hornbill carving that are old and are supposed to have been here before CITES. However I understand the problem with people hunting them for the ivory and feathers. The birds have magnificent feathers also, some over a meter (40") long. The bird itself with tail feathers can grow to 64" -- 5 feet 4 inches -- or 160cm long |
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Hi Guys,
here's my one and only hornbill piece see that the intension firtsly was to carve the side also with scroll work. I think they first wanted to make an earring but probably they changed their mind or the broke the upperpart? Arjan. |
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did you know there where once also where mini hornbills?
the piece here on the pandat is only about 1 cm! |
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Enclosed some other pictures.
Feeling I have is that old earrings have a lot of open sides and less decoration on top. But this is all from books. Are their no old ones in private collections amongst us ? |
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Hi here some earrings the most off the stuff in the pic is from the famous collector Herbert Da Silva.
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A FEW MORE CARVED SKULLS IF I CAN GET THEM TO COME THRU.
WELL 3 OUT OF 4 IS GOOD ENOUGH. THE TOP ONE IS A BEAR SKULL THE TEETH ARE OFTEN SEEN ATTACHED TO MANDAU AND OTHER DAYAK ITEMS. I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS FROM A SLOTH BEAR OR A SUN BEAR BUT I THINK IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER. THE OTHER IS A BOAR SKULL THE TUSKS ARE OFTEN USED IN DAYAK DECOR AS WELL AS CARVED BONES ARE OFTEN USED ON SOME MANDAU SCABBARDS MOSTLY FROM KALAMANTAN(THE INDONESIAN PART OF BORNEO) THE APE SKULL IN THE PREVIOUS POST IS DEFINITELY DAYAK BUT I AM NOT ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THE HORSE SKULL AND HUMAN SKULL ARE THEY MIGHT BE FROM TIMOR. Last edited by VANDOO; 5th January 2007 at 08:26 PM. |
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A FEW EXAMPLES OF CHINESE HORNBILL CARVED SNUFF BOTTLES.
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The bear will be the Sun Bear / Helarctos Malaynus, Sloth Bears do not live on Borneo. The Sun Bear is on Cites list I, being near threathned by loss of habitat due to deforesting and hunting for their fur and for chinese medicines. I must say, the more I find out about this the more I feel people should avoid buying these objects. The brown skull you see in this thread are almost certainly very recently killed animals. The skulls are covered with some brown colour to give the idea of age. However age has nothing to do with it. I think these all come from a certain ebay seller that ships from Bali. The horse skull looks like Timor tourist material, and the human skull is Borneo and depicted in a catalogue to an exhibition from the Coppens collection. But, still no pictures of good old Hornbill earrings from Borneo. really none amongst the Vikinsword members ? |
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I guess we don't collect earrings much, my only HB earring is the one starting this thread. However I have a few other Dayak carved pieces. Here is a complete HB skull. I would doubt it is old.
My wife keeps it in her "kitchen gallery" on top of the microwave. I also have a few more HB pieces that are part of Dayak "belt decorations," (beads and bells) and a recent, but nicely done boar skull. |
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Hi Willem the real old hornbill earrings are very rare and can mostly only find in the museums the last old one s I did see at an gallery in Amsterdam
but the price was to high for me Ben |
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hi ben,
did that one happen to be from polak? if so i was wondering what the price was. i did see it at pan amsterdam but after i heared the price of other items i did not dare to ask what that might cost. greetings, sander |
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Yes it was Polak his prices are high but also the quality
I was in 1982 at Kunst en Kits with an madjopahit kriss ( I stil have the tape and the kris ) he examen this one and by than he says it was worth 1450,00 guilders And tryed after the tv show it to buy from me for 1600,00 guilders that was funny But he have high class stuff regards Ben |
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i saw his stuff at the pan and yes very high quality. it's funny but i also had the feeling that he often values things lesser than what he would sell it for. of course you'll also pay for "the name" but after my visit at the pan i had a very good feeling about my own collection. have you seen the karo batak earrings also? i wanted to buy those but again prices to high for me.
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Don't quite understand. 1450 guilders is about $850USD. This does not seem a lot of money for a good Majapahit keris. Are you saying that he offered a low price? |
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How were prices in 1982 ?
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Hi Bill yes he was offering an very low price but you now to make money he have for to sell it triple the price so that was the valeu at that time because this was real old from the 12 or 13 cht .
very hard to get these days with scabbard that in his word was at least 250 years old Ben (willem jij had toen al geld genoeg 5 per week) |
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