Miquelet Ottoman Pistol Translation Needed

Sylektis · 17th January 2009, 06:32 PM

Please help me translate the inscriptions on this "no typical" pistol.
Any suggestion to chronology?

Dom · 18th January 2009, 05:53 PM

Hi
just religious exclamations, or invocations
but some words stay unclear and
didn't been translated, sorry

may be some one else more acute will complete

but here, who found funny to read the word "the watch"

dunno at all what could be the relation with the context

à +

Dom

Sylektis · 19th January 2009, 10:05 PM

Thank you any way Dom.
And what about this?

Sylektis · 21st December 2017, 01:25 PM

Α more complete translation from a friend, Hussein Hamdy Mahmoud Mohamed Genedy. I prefer to post his manuscript.

rickystl · 22nd December 2017, 05:50 PM

Hi Sylektis.

What a beautiful and interesting Balkan style pistol. I don't recall ever seeing one with this many markings. Even the side plate. Glad you were able to get a translation. The side plate and trigger are really interesting. Never seen a trigger done that way.
The lock is one of the most common style of miquelet seen on Eastern guns. Very robust and reliable. And it appears to have a maker's mark in gold.
The barrel itself is really interesting. Besides all the markings, the barrel started life as the typical octagon to round style most seen on these pistols. But, the "twist" effect the entire length of the round portion is a first for me. This would have taken a long time to make. Very Cool !!!
While it's generally known that none of these Balkan style pistols are exactly alike (unless made as a pair), this one is very different. A great looking - and super interesting pistol for your collection. Congratulations.

Rick

David R · 22nd December 2017, 06:43 PM

I think this one is a largely original piece that has been reworked, either as a festival/processional piece, or for sale to "those who travel".

Philip · 28th December 2017, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Sylektis.

What a beautiful and interesting Balkan style pistol. But, the "twist" effect the entire length of the round portion is a first for me. This would have taken a long time to make. Very Cool !!!
While it's generally known that none of these Balkan style pistols are exactly alike (unless made as a pair), this one is very different. A great looking - and super interesting pistol for your collection. Congratulations.

Rick

The spiral deco on the barrel is undoubtedly a local adaptation of the same theme seen on the fancier Brescian barrels of the first half of the 17th cent. Perhaps the most famous example of this appears on the forward (round) half of the two-stage barrels by Lazarino Cominazzo on the pair of wheellock pistols presented by the Venetian Senate to King Louis XIII of France (now in the Livrustkammaren, Stockholm, and published in numerous books. Considering the extent to which fine Brescian gun barrels were exported to and imitated in the East, it's a bit surprising that copies of the motif are not seen more often.

As you say, it's a lot of work to cut the grooves, but the top barrelmakers in Italy might have thought it too elementary so they reversed the spirals on one side of the barrel and ended up with a chevron pattern, meeting up at a raised ridge that defined the sighting-plane at the top of the barrel. Getting the grooves to meet at precisely the same point, with the exact spacing in between, now that's labor-intensive! The chevron barrels are more often seen mounted on flintlock pistols.

17th January 2009, 06:32 PM	#1
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 136	Miquelet Ottoman Pistol Translation Needed Please help me translate the inscriptions on this "no typical" pistol. Any suggestion to chronology? Attached Images

18th January 2009, 05:53 PM	#2
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Hi just religious exclamations, or invocations but some words stay unclear and didn't been translated, sorry may be some one else more acute will complete but here, who found funny to read the word "the watch" dunno at all what could be the relation with the context à + Dom Attached Images

19th January 2009, 10:05 PM	#3
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 136	Thank you Thank you any way Dom. And what about this? Attached Images

21st December 2017, 01:25 PM	#4
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 136	Α more complete translation from a friend, Hussein Hamdy Mahmoud Mohamed Genedy. I prefer to post his manuscript. Attached Images

22nd December 2017, 05:50 PM	#5
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Sylektis. What a beautiful and interesting Balkan style pistol. I don't recall ever seeing one with this many markings. Even the side plate. Glad you were able to get a translation. The side plate and trigger are really interesting. Never seen a trigger done that way. The lock is one of the most common style of miquelet seen on Eastern guns. Very robust and reliable. And it appears to have a maker's mark in gold. The barrel itself is really interesting. Besides all the markings, the barrel started life as the typical octagon to round style most seen on these pistols. But, the "twist" effect the entire length of the round portion is a first for me. This would have taken a long time to make. Very Cool !!! While it's generally known that none of these Balkan style pistols are exactly alike (unless made as a pair), this one is very different. A great looking - and super interesting pistol for your collection. Congratulations. Rick

22nd December 2017, 06:43 PM	#6
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	I think this one is a largely original piece that has been reworked, either as a festival/processional piece, or for sale to "those who travel".