Small Chinese knife for I D

Iliad · 8th January 2009, 09:29 PM

Hi all, here are pics of a small knife which I acquired a few years ago from a man who said he found it underneath a house he was demolishing , in the city of Wellington, New Zealand.
From the early 1800's onwards, when New Zealand was being settled, some thousands of Chinese emigrated here, most going to the southern goldfields but also many settling in cities. It is therefore possible that this knife was brought here at that time. (Although Gavin may think that it is Spanish 1970's!!)
I was told that the knife required considerable cleaning.
Any information will be gratefully accepted.
Brian

VANDOO · 8th January 2009, 10:42 PM

I HAVE SOMETHING SIMULAR TO THIS IN DECORATION BUT A DIFFERENT FORM THAT I BOUGHT IN CHINGDU CHINA , WHICH IS NEAR TIBET. THE FORM OF YOURS IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT IN HANDLE AND BLADE SHAPE BUT THE DECORATION ON THE HANDLE SCALES IS VERY SIMULAR. PERHAPS IT IS FROM A DIFFERENT TRIBAL GROUP IN THAT REGION OF CHINA AS IT EXHIBITS QUITE A VARIATION FROM MOST CHINESE FORMS ESPECIALLY THE POMMEL. JUST GUESSING MOSTLY

PERHAPS SOMEONE MORE UP ON CHINESE ITEMS CAN BE OF MORE HELP. GOOD LUCK

carlos · 8th January 2009, 11:04 PM

I think is a Pichok from Uzbequistan, Typical knife of this country.
Best regards
carlos

ariel · 9th January 2009, 02:11 AM

Uzbeki Pichok with Chinese hieroglyphs?

kahnjar1 · 9th January 2009, 04:54 AM

Brian, thats a nice piece. I see Chinese characters on the blade. Maybe you have a friendly Chinese takeaway or restaurant in Waihi, where you can get it translated??
NOT kidding--its worth a try!!
Stu

Gavin Nugent · 9th January 2009, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlos

I think is a Pichok from Uzbequistan, Typical knife of this country.
Best regards
carlos

I'd say you have hit the nail on the head there Carlos.

Gav

Tim Simmons · 9th January 2009, 12:28 PM

This is not a weapon but look at the motifs. Not just the small general floral form but also construction. So in how many of the "Stan" states would one see this work? What is the script on the blade? No idea on the age of either the knife or the flute but both look well used.

ausjulius · 11th January 2009, 07:18 AM

this one is made in east turkmenistan, normaly there arabic script is used but also there is a sizeable amount of chinese molsems who adopt the centralasian costume and customs to a degree so they carry the ughir knife as well
there are made in "factories" with make hand workers,, and have been made like this for several 100 years

current producer
http://y.yaltapan.com/en/Mahsulat/Index.asp

Iliad · 12th January 2009, 09:16 AM

Hi guys, many thanks for the helpful comments. Isn't it amazing how this little knife has travelled all the way to New Zealand and is now in my hands!!
Brian

8th January 2009, 09:29 PM	#1
Iliad Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 187	Small Chinese knife for I D Hi all, here are pics of a small knife which I acquired a few years ago from a man who said he found it underneath a house he was demolishing , in the city of Wellington, New Zealand. From the early 1800's onwards, when New Zealand was being settled, some thousands of Chinese emigrated here, most going to the southern goldfields but also many settling in cities. It is therefore possible that this knife was brought here at that time. (Although Gavin may think that it is Spanish 1970's!!) I was told that the knife required considerable cleaning. Any information will be gratefully accepted. Brian Attached Images

8th January 2009, 11:04 PM	#3
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	Uzbequistan I think is a Pichok from Uzbequistan, Typical knife of this country. Best regards carlos

9th January 2009, 12:28 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	This is not a weapon but look at the motifs. Not just the small general floral form but also construction. So in how many of the "Stan" states would one see this work? What is the script on the blade? No idea on the age of either the knife or the flute but both look well used. Attached Images

12th January 2009, 09:16 AM	#9
Iliad Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 187	Thanks Hi guys, many thanks for the helpful comments. Isn't it amazing how this little knife has travelled all the way to New Zealand and is now in my hands!! Brian

8th January 2009, 10:42 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE SOMETHING SIMULAR TO THIS IN DECORATION BUT A DIFFERENT FORM THAT I BOUGHT IN CHINGDU CHINA , WHICH IS NEAR TIBET. THE FORM OF YOURS IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT IN HANDLE AND BLADE SHAPE BUT THE DECORATION ON THE HANDLE SCALES IS VERY SIMULAR. PERHAPS IT IS FROM A DIFFERENT TRIBAL GROUP IN THAT REGION OF CHINA AS IT EXHIBITS QUITE A VARIATION FROM MOST CHINESE FORMS ESPECIALLY THE POMMEL. JUST GUESSING MOSTLY PERHAPS SOMEONE MORE UP ON CHINESE ITEMS CAN BE OF MORE HELP. GOOD LUCK

9th January 2009, 02:11 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Uzbeki Pichok with Chinese hieroglyphs?

9th January 2009, 04:54 AM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	Brian, thats a nice piece. I see Chinese characters on the blade. Maybe you have a friendly Chinese takeaway or restaurant in Waihi, where you can get it translated?? NOT kidding--its worth a try!! Stu

11th January 2009, 07:18 AM	#8
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 422	this one is made in east turkmenistan, normaly there arabic script is used but also there is a sizeable amount of chinese molsems who adopt the centralasian costume and customs to a degree so they carry the ughir knife as well there are made in "factories" with make hand workers,, and have been made like this for several 100 years current producer http://y.yaltapan.com/en/Mahsulat/Index.asp