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Hi, this is a great yataghan with a very good calligraphy.
Looking forward for a translation. Its a lot of work for our islamic script experts, but even a general comment about what are the inscriptions about whould be fine! Thanks! |
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Looks a very good koftgar. The third photo seems upwards. I don´t recall in this moment seeing the blade grooves going so far to the point on a yataghan. Thank you for the photos.
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It will take me some time to translate and some parts seem to be difficult to translate but I'll give a shot.
Hakim Ali Besim Efendi (this is the name of the owner, the title "Hakim" has two meanings, 1) judge, magistrate 2) ruler, governor) |
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Ey gönül bir can içün her cana zillet eyleme
İşret-i dünya içün sultana minnet eyleme Do not hold oh heart all the lives in contempt just for a life Do not bow to the sultan for the pleasures of mundane life |
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Sine-i 'adaya fal açtı hançerin
Rahmet üstada olsun bu mücevherin Your dagger opened the bossom of enemy for soothsaying May God Bless the master of this jewel (meaning the yatağan, I believe) This is a very interesting part but there is also possibility that I'm not interpreting it correctly. Soothsaying by looking at the entrails of animals was a pagan practice, it is interesting if the inscription refers to such knowledge. |
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1241 (1826)
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sine-i 'adaya yarub bu bıçağı kıl nişan
sahibi daim muzaffer eyle olsun alişan Let this knife be a sign on the bossom of the enemy Let its owner be glorious and high in fame |
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1)Ya Muhammed kıl şefaat ümmetindendir Ali Besim
2)Ya Hafiyyü'l-eltaf ................................... (need help from Dom here) 1)O Muhammed! Intercede on the day of Judgement on the behalf of Ali Besim who is one of your Ummah (community of believers) 2)??? |
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Is it possible this sword was made to memorialize the massacre of the Janissary corps in 1826 by Mahmud II? |
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İlahi dilerim sahibine tebarek
Olsun bu bıçak sahibine mübarek O Allah we ask blessings for the owner of this knife Let this knife be auspicious for its owner Excuse my poor translation, but the overall meaning is understandable I think ![]() |
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That date makes sense: 1922 essentially saw the end of the war of independence and abolition of the Sultanate. 1923 was the year independence was ratified, however. ![]() (got to love Wikipedia ![]() |
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To me this looks like an early 19th century piece. I do not find it that unusual for inlay to be preserved well, especially if it was well done, which appears to be the case with this quality yataghan.
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I fully agree with Teodor: old beastie, not 20th century!!!
The brass handle and the scabbard seem to be popular in the Balkans. At least, there are quite a few in the Dora Boscovic's book on yataghans from Zagreb. and many of the early ones have pretty intact koftgari. |
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Regards Gonzalo |
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Just like you I am going by the pictures. Eftihis is the owner of this beautiful piece and maybe he can shed more light on the technoque used for the inscriptions. Regards, Teodor |
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If this yataghan was not used and it was in the scabbard for 200 years it is normal that koftgari is like new.
You can notice that it is some gold missing on the back side of the blade. Exactly were it is more like to be missing, because from the contact with the throat of the scabbard anytime you push it in or you pull it out. |
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2) save us from what we are afraid thanks for the translation, because .... was in turkish ![]() great job à + Dom |
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