OOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!

Montino Bourbon · 27th January 2008, 07:56 PM

"Unbridled lust..."

ebay # 130191730549

Dinn't have QUITE enough in week-end petty cash....

Rick · 27th January 2008, 08:06 PM

Very nice, but at that price I would want it to have the scabbard too .

Tim Simmons · 27th January 2008, 08:40 PM

A solid gold scabbard.

What is so good about these and other daggers just because there is a bit of ivory, especially as they are so very common.

CourseEight · 27th January 2008, 08:54 PM

Seller had three other drool-worthy items up as well. May have gotten an off-ebay offer on them:

http://search-completed.ebay.com/sea...&fsop=1&fsoo=1

Beautiful stuff, all.

ariel · 28th January 2008, 12:34 AM

This one was a stuff of my dreams..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-DAGGER-P...QQcmdZViewItem
But it was a " no longer available " one

This is the one I asked Montino about.
Gr-r-r-r-r-r-r!

TVV · 28th January 2008, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

This one was a stuff of my dreams..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-DAGGER-P...QQcmdZViewItem
But it was a " no longer available " one

This is the one I asked Montino about.
Gr-r-r-r-r-r-r!

Because of the number of rivets?

Rick · 28th January 2008, 02:14 AM

So similar to this one .

ariel · 28th January 2008, 02:06 PM

Guys, am I so transparent?

Montino Bourbon · 28th January 2008, 07:08 PM

When my birthday comes around I feel like Auda Abu Tayi in "Lawrence of Arabia"

He wanders around at one point muttering:

" MUST find something worthy!..."

Oh, and mine didn't have a sheath either. I made one, and now need some worthy silver work on it.

A. G. Maisey · 28th January 2008, 09:46 PM

Mughal jade.

Jens Nordlunde · 28th January 2008, 10:38 PM

Ok, I do agree that, for once, the seller did make good pictures, but I fail to see why you all almost faint seeing the pictures – please explain.

Tabarzin · 28th January 2008, 10:50 PM

I'm with you on this one Jens. I also failed to see why this dagger aroused so much interest. This new fascination with wootz amongst collectors is getting out of hand.

Here are some better pics of the dagger.

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1907

Bill M · 29th January 2008, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CourseEight

Seller had three other drool-worthy items up as well. May have gotten an off-ebay offer on them:

http://search-completed.ebay.com/sea...&fsop=1&fsoo=1

Beautiful stuff, all.

Interesting. The Seller is in the small hometown of one of our forum members. Wonder if they know each other? Doubt it is the same person.

Montino Bourbon · 29th January 2008, 03:29 AM

And I really liked the lines of it; so ergonomic! So adapted exactly to what it's for... and it ain't cutting pizza!

Of course, Jens, I am a bit of a newbie to higher-end Indian and Persian stuff...would you be so kind as to show me what you feel is a good example, or even a superb example, of this type of dagger?

Cm'on, share! I'm all eyes, as it were, and I can't think of anybody I'd rather learn about such things from, although there are other worthy masters on this forum. I am just curious...

CourseEight · 29th January 2008, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Ok, I do agree that, for once, the seller did make good pictures, but I fail to see why you all almost faint seeing the pictures – please explain.

As for me, its an issue of the relative distance between my average piece and these. Not to mention that if prices continue as they have I'll have tenure before I'll get a wootz piece...

--Radleigh

Jens Nordlunde · 29th January 2008, 06:02 PM

Montino, forget about the newbie stuff, as we are all here to learn, so there is no reason to be so modest

.

Radleigh, I am afraid the prices will go on rising, and many collectors have, over the years, strained their economy to make their collection grow, which has been a good investment – but it is not easy

.

Montino Bourbon · 29th January 2008, 06:43 PM

A picture is worth a thousand words!

Cm'on... let's see an example!

For instance, I treated myself (It's my birthday) to this, and now I have to make a sheath. Another example of Artzi's good taste.

A. G. Maisey · 29th January 2008, 09:40 PM

Jens, Indo-Persian weaponry, and many other types of collectables are lower priced now than they were 15 and 20 years ago, and in adjusted terms very much lower priced than they were 30 and 40 years ago.

When ebay rationalised the collectables market, the prices of Indo-Persian weaponry in particular, simply fell through the floor. If you want to see "expensive", go back and have a look at the catalogues of UK dealers in exotic weaponry from the 1960's, '70's, '80's.Then factor in what wages were at that time.

Another comparison:- get a quote from a current custom knifemaker who is capable of reproducing these Indo-Persian daggers and see what he might think he can make you one for.

Measured in real terms, I was paying more in the 1950's for keris from antique dealers in Australia and the UK than keris have sold for during the last 15 years or so.

Even though world population has increased , the population of collectors of things such as daggers and swords has decreased. This is a flow on effect of education policies, museum policies, and government policies in general, as well as community attitudes. A further factor is disposable income:- if you consider the percentage of the average annual wage required to service a mortgage, and the real cost of many other factors required to maintain an acceptable standard of living, people simply do not have as much spare money as they had not all that long ago.

There are very much fewer new collectors developing than there were a few years ago. Even as recently as the mid 1980's you could go to a gun show, or an exhibition of weaponry, and there would be many children and families present.There was an active interest by the general public in the exotic. No longer is this the case. Go to a gunshow in this country (Australia) now and 99% of the people through the door are geriatics---like myself.

Yes, the prices of some collectable items may be creeping upwards a little, but they are creeping upwards from a base that was created by ebay.The current prices are nowhere near what they were before ebay and e-commerce came on the scene.

Back around 1980-90 many financial advisors were recommending to their clients that part of a well constructed portfolio of investment should contain not only real estate and blue-chip shares, but that it should also contain collectables, and one of the most highly recommended collectables was premium quality weaponry. From memory, I think they were quoting an average increase in value of something like 7% PA over a 25 year period.I do not think you will find many financial advisors telling their clients to get out there and buy Indo-Persian weaponry at the moment. But they were 20 years ago.

At the moment I can see prices of collectable edged weaponry at a lower level in real terms than at any time since I started to collect, more than 50 years ago.

spiral · 29th January 2008, 10:23 PM

Actualy chaps despite all the great conjectures that auctions been canceled due to a Hijacked account.

Seeing isnt believing on ebay.

Fake bidding, Hijacked Accounts, shill bidders, make it more complex.

Spiral

A. G. Maisey · 29th January 2008, 10:46 PM

Yep, as is the case in any auction situation.

I don't know how old you are Spiral, but if you were around in the 1970's, you would be very aware of the activities of the "ring" that operated in the UK. It was absolutely notorious. By comparison, ebay is squeaky clean.

In live auctions I have seen auctioneers pulling bids off the wall, especially when the auctioneers themselves owned the goods being auctioned.

I love live auctions, but the catalogue of dirty tricks that is part and parcel of any auction, live or electronic, is enough to dampen the enthusiasm of many people.

27th January 2008, 07:56 PM	#1
Montino Bourbon Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara, California Posts: 301	OOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!! "Unbridled lust..." ebay # 130191730549 Dinn't have QUITE enough in week-end petty cash....

28th January 2008, 02:14 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	So similar to this one . Attached Images

28th January 2008, 07:08 PM	#9
Montino Bourbon Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara, California Posts: 301	I got mine from Artzi... When my birthday comes around I feel like Auda Abu Tayi in "Lawrence of Arabia" He wanders around at one point muttering: " MUST find something worthy!..." Oh, and mine didn't have a sheath either. I made one, and now need some worthy silver work on it.

28th January 2008, 09:46 PM	#10
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Mughal jade. Attached Images

29th January 2008, 03:29 AM	#14
Montino Bourbon Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara, California Posts: 301	I haven't seen so many of these... And I really liked the lines of it; so ergonomic! So adapted exactly to what it's for... and it ain't cutting pizza! Of course, Jens, I am a bit of a newbie to higher-end Indian and Persian stuff...would you be so kind as to show me what you feel is a good example, or even a superb example, of this type of dagger? Cm'on, share! I'm all eyes, as it were, and I can't think of anybody I'd rather learn about such things from, although there are other worthy masters on this forum. I am just curious...

27th January 2008, 08:06 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Very nice, but at that price I would want it to have the scabbard too .

27th January 2008, 08:40 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	A solid gold scabbard. What is so good about these and other daggers just because there is a bit of ivory, especially as they are so very common.

27th January 2008, 08:54 PM	#4
CourseEight Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 222	Seller had three other drool-worthy items up as well. May have gotten an off-ebay offer on them: http://search-completed.ebay.com/sea...&fsop=1&fsoo=1 Beautiful stuff, all.

28th January 2008, 12:34 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	This one was a stuff of my dreams.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-DAGGER-P...QQcmdZViewItem But it was a " no longer available " one This is the one I asked Montino about. Gr-r-r-r-r-r-r!

28th January 2008, 02:06 PM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Guys, am I so transparent?

28th January 2008, 10:38 PM	#11
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ok, I do agree that, for once, the seller did make good pictures, but I fail to see why you all almost faint seeing the pictures – please explain.

28th January 2008, 10:50 PM	#12
Tabarzin Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 7	I'm with you on this one Jens. I also failed to see why this dagger aroused so much interest. This new fascination with wootz amongst collectors is getting out of hand. Here are some better pics of the dagger. http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1907

29th January 2008, 06:02 PM	#16
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Montino, forget about the newbie stuff, as we are all here to learn, so there is no reason to be so modest. Radleigh, I am afraid the prices will go on rising, and many collectors have, over the years, strained their economy to make their collection grow, which has been a good investment – but it is not easy.

29th January 2008, 06:43 PM	#17
Montino Bourbon Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara, California Posts: 301	Jens... A picture is worth a thousand words! Cm'on... let's see an example! For instance, I treated myself (It's my birthday) to this, and now I have to make a sheath. Another example of Artzi's good taste. Attached Images

29th January 2008, 09:40 PM	#18
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Jens, Indo-Persian weaponry, and many other types of collectables are lower priced now than they were 15 and 20 years ago, and in adjusted terms very much lower priced than they were 30 and 40 years ago. When ebay rationalised the collectables market, the prices of Indo-Persian weaponry in particular, simply fell through the floor. If you want to see "expensive", go back and have a look at the catalogues of UK dealers in exotic weaponry from the 1960's, '70's, '80's.Then factor in what wages were at that time. Another comparison:- get a quote from a current custom knifemaker who is capable of reproducing these Indo-Persian daggers and see what he might think he can make you one for. Measured in real terms, I was paying more in the 1950's for keris from antique dealers in Australia and the UK than keris have sold for during the last 15 years or so. Even though world population has increased , the population of collectors of things such as daggers and swords has decreased. This is a flow on effect of education policies, museum policies, and government policies in general, as well as community attitudes. A further factor is disposable income:- if you consider the percentage of the average annual wage required to service a mortgage, and the real cost of many other factors required to maintain an acceptable standard of living, people simply do not have as much spare money as they had not all that long ago. There are very much fewer new collectors developing than there were a few years ago. Even as recently as the mid 1980's you could go to a gun show, or an exhibition of weaponry, and there would be many children and families present.There was an active interest by the general public in the exotic. No longer is this the case. Go to a gunshow in this country (Australia) now and 99% of the people through the door are geriatics---like myself. Yes, the prices of some collectable items may be creeping upwards a little, but they are creeping upwards from a base that was created by ebay.The current prices are nowhere near what they were before ebay and e-commerce came on the scene. Back around 1980-90 many financial advisors were recommending to their clients that part of a well constructed portfolio of investment should contain not only real estate and blue-chip shares, but that it should also contain collectables, and one of the most highly recommended collectables was premium quality weaponry. From memory, I think they were quoting an average increase in value of something like 7% PA over a 25 year period.I do not think you will find many financial advisors telling their clients to get out there and buy Indo-Persian weaponry at the moment. But they were 20 years ago. At the moment I can see prices of collectable edged weaponry at a lower level in real terms than at any time since I started to collect, more than 50 years ago.

29th January 2008, 10:23 PM	#19
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Actualy chaps despite all the great conjectures that auctions been canceled due to a Hijacked account. Seeing isnt believing on ebay. Fake bidding, Hijacked Accounts, shill bidders, make it more complex. Spiral

29th January 2008, 10:46 PM	#20
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Yep, as is the case in any auction situation. I don't know how old you are Spiral, but if you were around in the 1970's, you would be very aware of the activities of the "ring" that operated in the UK. It was absolutely notorious. By comparison, ebay is squeaky clean. In live auctions I have seen auctioneers pulling bids off the wall, especially when the auctioneers themselves owned the goods being auctioned. I love live auctions, but the catalogue of dirty tricks that is part and parcel of any auction, live or electronic, is enough to dampen the enthusiasm of many people.